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Solved 8.1: Local acct vs Microsoft account for logging in


pseudoware

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#1
Can someone please explain the differences between using a local vs Live ID/Microsoft account to log into a W8.1 computer? Thank you.
 

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#2
Hello pseudoware,

Basically this:

Local account = Same account as in previous versions of Windows. It's a local account as in that you can only sign in to that specific local PC with the account. You will not be able to use any modern apps (ex: SkyDrive, Store) that use Microsoft services that require to be signed in with a Microsoft account.

Microsoft account = This is like a roaming account. You sign in to Windows 8/8.1 with your email address and password. You could use the same Microsoft account to sign in to multiple Windows 8/8.1 PCs to have their settings synced on each PC. You will be able to open and use modern apps that use Microsoft services.


For more info, see also:



Hope this helps some, :)
Shawn
 

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#4
About the store not working without a MS account, it's not totally true. Store can still update any apps already installed even with a local account. And I think (not sure on this one) that you can still use it for installing any basic apps made by MS (reader, photo viewer, etc...).

I don't have a MS account and don't plan on getting one, all the metro apps have IMHO much better desktop equivalents (even skydrive is better as desktop) and logging via MS just seems... too reminiscent of big brother for my taste
 

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I use a local account and don't have issues using apps that require a MS Account (except for Skydrive in Win 8.1). I have to enter my MS userid/pw to install an app but after that I don't. There is an option that says something like "Login in to each app separately".
 

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#7
I use a local account and don't have issues using apps that require a MS Account (except for Skydrive in Win 8.1). I have to enter my MS userid/pw to install an app but after that I don't. There is an option that says something like "Login in to each app separately".
Does anyone know of a 3rd party app that can access Skydrive while logged in with a local account?
 

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I use a local account and don't have issues using apps that require a MS Account (except for Skydrive in Win 8.1). I have to enter my MS userid/pw to install an app but after that I don't. There is an option that says something like "Login in to each app separately".
Does anyone know of a 3rd party app that can access Skydrive while logged in with a local account?
Edit: I found one: Woopiti
 

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#9
I use a local account and don't have issues using apps that require a MS Account (except for Skydrive in Win 8.1). I have to enter my MS userid/pw to install an app but after that I don't. There is an option that says something like "Login in to each app separately".
Does anyone know of a 3rd party app that can access Skydrive while logged in with a local account?
Edit: I found one: Woopiti
Edit 2: can't download files w/woopiti, filebrick ftw
 

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Does anyone know of a 3rd party app that can access Skydrive while logged in with a local account?
If you like, you could log in online at SkyDrive.com while signed in to Windows 8 with a local account to be able to download and upload files to/from your SkyDrive.
 

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Yup. Only way I've found with Win 8.1 to access my Skydrive without logging in with a MS Account is to do it via the browser as Brink suggested.
 

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Yes, thanks. I've done that, too. Works well.

Sorry, I meant to edit my posts, not quote myself repeatedly.

Edit: like this ;-)
 

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Hi there
I believe you CAN create a (SEPARATE) Ms account (I have one for TECHNET) without having one on the PC-- so you don't have to create a Ms account ON THE PC.

Now AFAIK you should be able to access SKYDRIVE with your Ms account even though you only have a local account on the PC - that way you *Should* be able to access your files.

I don't use (or intend to use) SKYDRIVE as I'm quite happy with DROPBOX so what I've said above could be a load of "Little Round Objects" but in theory it should work as you can create an Ms account without needing to use it for logging in to the PC.

Cheers
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No problem having a separate MS account Jimbo, the issue is strictly with the Skydrive client. In prior versions of Windows, you could install the Skydrive client and use it with a local account. However, in Win 8.1, when you attempt to install the Skydrive client, it forces you to logout of your local account and log back in with a MS Account.
 

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No problem having a separate MS account Jimbo, the issue is strictly with the Skydrive client. In prior versions of Windows, you could install the Skydrive client and use it with a local account. However, in Win 8.1, when you attempt to install the Skydrive client, it forces you to logout of your local account and log back in with a MS Account.
There are ways around that : you can map skydrive as a network drive, you won't even need any application to access skydrive after that. How to access SkyDrive on Windows 8.1 using local accounts | Ghacks

There are also 3rd party tools like syncDriver for SkyDrive - SkyDrive Client Done Right
 

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Thanks oneeyed! I tried both methods and both work but syncDriver for SkyDrive comes closest to actually having the MS SkyDrive client installed since it actually syncs files to/from your SkyDrive.
 

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#17
Hello pseudoware,

Basically this:

Local account = Same account as in previous versions of Windows. It's a local account as in that you can only sign in to that specific local PC with the account. You will not be able to use any modern apps (ex: SkyDrive, Store) that use Microsoft services that require to be signed in with a Microsoft account.

Microsoft account = This is like a roaming account. You sign in to Windows 8/8.1 with your email address and password. You could use the same Microsoft account to sign in to multiple Windows 8/8.1 PCs to have their settings synced on each PC. You will be able to open and use modern apps that use Microsoft services.


For more info, see also:



Hope this helps some, :)
Shawn
Shawn,
Setting up my fresh install....(and considering the numerous problems I've had)...
It would be best to stick with a local account by looking at this? My ONLY issue is that I have to have Microsoft Word/Excel. I use both for my business and classes. Are there any apps similar to these I can get without having a Microsoft Account? [may be a silly question, but still, have to ask].
I went ahead and started with a local account. I can always switch if I want, but I think that was the entry point of a lot of my problems. The fact that PC's can be synced and shared, I let the beast in myself. .....
:) Thanks!
 

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    HP Color LaserJet Pro MFP M477fdn,
    Linksys EA9500 router,
    Arris SB8200 cable modem,
    APC SMART-UPS RT 1000 XL - SURT1000XLI,
    Lumia 1520 phone