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LOL. Maybe the author will update that and make himself look less foolish.
 

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A lobbyist for a Windows 8 Start button. :roflmao:
 

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LOL. Maybe the author will update that and make himself look less foolish.
What do you mean? A well written truthful and valid article from a respected professional.
 

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Number one first sentence makes no sense. The start button is already there 8.1 We know he is a huge MS can do no wrong - toe the line guy.
 

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The first of his 14 points is still really valid: There are not many areas in business and enterprise environment that evolve so rapidly as IT. However, the IT geeks keeping the systems up and running are often the biggest opponents of any changes, the "We have always done it like this" mentality is ruling.

I know, and I am sure so do you, companies where they are still using outdated XP even Windows 2000 systems because of too many "I don't like Seven" IT geeks on the payroll.

And now Eight. Seriously, the 8.1 now making Start Screen a "What the eyes can't see, the heart mustn't know" phenomena of yesterday, the only thing you and other anti 8 users have is the changed Win + X Start Menu; a feature that most of the hardcore "old way" geeks replaced anyway with Classic Shell or other third party product when using Seven. I do not know if I should laugh or cry reading these "Yes, of course I will replace the Start Menu with Classic Shell as I did in Windows 7, but I want the Start Menu I replace and never use again be the traditional one I have always replaced and not this new one!".

Geeks complaining about a feature they would not likely be using in any case. Talk about paradoxes.

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not all of us IT pros want to stay behind. Those still with XP most likely have no budget for new machines or an OS upgrade.

I've rolled 8 on a few new laptops. However, some of our configs are not yet supported by Dell, this we cannot have them built with 8. And my bosses aren't happy to buy with 7 and then spend more to go to 8 when I know that I can make the hardware work.

IT guys often have more work than they can handle, and tech changes so fast and we have to learn a myriad of technologies and software to support a business. That's why some things are just left alone, while we focus on other things.
 

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Will doing (whatever ) help me to sell more widgets?

That might explain why so many are using XP etc. There is no benefit to changing for the sake of it.
 

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Number one first sentence makes no sense. The start button is already there 8.1 We know he is a huge MS can do no wrong - toe the line guy.

Buttons are round. If you take notice, technically it is not a button as in past OSs which opened the Start Menu. It is a MS flag (Trapezoid) (To you Brits a Trapezium) to represent the Start Screen, which, of course, is the new start. The desktop is now a portal of the new UI.

So, all in all, no one got neither the Start Button or the Start Menu back. :)

Edit: In reading it again this morning, I can see that there's contradiction of terms here. Ether it's a typo where it should be "A lobbyist for a Windows 7 Start button" or should read "A lobbyist for the old Windows 7 Start button". Something of that nature, for he mentions "Progress means sometimes evolving the UI" which includes the "New Start Button", Modern UI, and Start Screen.
 
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Any IT pro advocating installing Windows 8 or 8.1 in a business environment needs to immediately fired.
 

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I tend to embrace things new. Where I work they currently lack the management and $$$ to move forward. So we continue in the same rut.
 

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I noticed that author was pushing [DEL]was[/DEL] the "Cloud".

PowerShell is awful.
Having to type out the equivalent of "War & Peace" to issue commands is just not on (exaggeration ;) )
Given the choice, I'd rather use Linux servers and the Terminal.
I'm not a real fan of BASH either, but most of the commands are easy to type.

What did I type? :D
 
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I noticed that author pushing was the "Cloud".

PowerShell is awful.
Having to type out the equivalent of "War & Peace" to issue commands is just not on (exaggeration ;) )
Given the choice, I'd rather use Linux servers and the Terminal.
I'm not a real fan of BASH either, but most of the commands are easy to type.
PowerShell ISE with predicting input, all commands listed on the right is for me the easiest and fastest command line tool to use. I don't have to memorize loads of commands and switches, they are all there, no need to type "War & Peace" ;).

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As so often it's a matter of taste. I like and use PS ISE, using Command Prompt only when I need screenshots of it to a post or tutorial.

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Not all IT staffers are like what was mentioned on the article. Though I had to admit, there are IT's who would rather stick to old methods that they think works for them anyway without bothering more time on learning setting up something new for the company but there are those who do embrace the new.

For me, I would try something new because we have to improve and the only direction is to try and be better but if this does not make things easier and if it would cost more (like implementing new Windows 8 machines on a company), then its only fair to stick with something a bit old but does the job done until a newer, cheaper and easier solution comes along that is worth every dime spent on it. An IT guy should be fired and replaced if he just sucks on the job not because he resisted something that does not guarantee a better IT platform and would cost money and time anyway.

The article said users should come to work to use applications, not configure them but I think they do need to configure applications by themselves from time to time. IT guys also have to consider the skills of the workers and they know that new things do not always turn up easier for these guys. And if I was the IT guy and I had to spend time learning something for myself AND training the workers, this makes it harder for both of us on the starting phase. And if a computer breaks down, an IT guy should always be around to fix that especially on a huge office where this is very common. And if installing a free Start button and Start menu alternative on a Windows 8 unit makes it a lot easier and beneficial for many of the non tech guys, then that's even a reason to have an IT guy in the first place because they are the ones who are likely to know about those. Imagine an angry boss having trouble working on a new Windows 8 laptop because of the Modern UI. He's got nobody to fix that for him and out of disappointment, combined with other pressures, his mood has gone bad and now he would divert his anger towards any unlucky soul left in the office. A cool IT guy would have made hell less hotter.

And the author mentioned "cloud" services in a positive fashion and have even said that an admin never even touched a cloud service? Surely many have, but mostly for themselves actually, not for the company. We IT's know that you always have a data security risk if you use "cloud" services and without Internet connection, they are useless anyway so they would be written off in offices who don't have Internet and even the cloud services need human intervention of someone professionally skilled to configure them. And maybe the author assumes that the common workers know more about "cloud" services than IT guys? You gotta be kidding.

I think the author has written this as a blow towards the many IT admins and staff who have helped resisted the adoption of Windows 8 and cloud services on their companies and offices. Its not being very biased towards IT people.
 

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My hat off to you that work IT. It must be a real PITA sometimes. It must be difficult to find "the happy medium" with all that goes on.

I have a good friend that worked his way up into IT management. He brushes me up on current events now and then. I have forum friends that fill me in too. It's like you people sit as a center hub trying to get and keep systems going while sitting in the middle of company management, CFOs, employees (users), and support contract contacts. And it's the fastest-changing tech on the face of the planet and probably always will be!
 

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PowerShell ISE with predicting input, all commands listed on the right is for me the easiest and fastest command line tool to use. I don't have to memorize loads of commands and switches, they are all there, no need to type "War & Peace"

And that is simply very good indeed !

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Thanks Kari

PowerShell ISE with predicting input, all commands listed on the right is for me the easiest and fastest command line tool to use. I don't have to memorize loads of commands and switches, they are all there, no need to type "War & Peace" ;).

As so often it's a matter of taste. I like and use PS ISE, using Command Prompt only when I need screenshots of it to a post or tutorial.

Thanks for that tip Kari. :)

Sorry I can't Rep you though. :(
 

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Any IT pro advocating installing Windows 8 or 8.1 in a business environment needs to immediately fired.

I'd disagree on Windows 8. For our new laptops at work, 8 is just flat out faster. Boots faster, connects to network faster, brings up wireless faster, logs in with fingerprint faster, etc. Task manager is improved.

On these new machines, I'd much rather have 8 on them than 7. And I'd also put a replacement start menu in place too and never really use any new UI apps. To me, my windows 8 looks just like Windows 7 (aside from the lost flair of aero).
 

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Can't replicate your speed increases here - just the opposite. I have tested clean installs - like for like. 8 boots slower (without hybrid boot ). Can't notice any speed increases elsewhere - they might exist, but not enough for me to tell.

I can see how if it works for you - then using classic shell and avoiding the metro stuff would be fine.
 

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not all of us IT pros want to stay behind. Those still with XP most likely have no budget for new machines or an OS upgrade.

I've rolled 8 on a few new laptops. However, some of our configs are not yet supported by Dell, this we cannot have them built with 8. And my bosses aren't happy to buy with 7 and then spend more to go to 8 when I know that I can make the hardware work.

IT guys often have more work than they can handle, and tech changes so fast and we have to learn a myriad of technologies and software to support a business. That's why some things are just left alone, while we focus on other things.

Surely businesses realise that Windows XP support officially ends April 2014, if an organisation hasn't begun the testing or pilot phase of rolling out operating system changes then they have a lot of catching up to do. I understand that it can cause additional costs to put things right such as phasing out legacy equipment and finding correct drivers as well as setting up deployment methods but they must know the major security issues regarding to XP after it isn't supported?

A simple security flaw in XP could cause an organisation to lose all three of its major assets - Money, Reputation and Data

That being said I don't think that they should upgrade to Windows 8 either since it is still technically in it's early days and can have its own fair share of security flaws therefore the most stable option would be 7. Normally they have policies which dictate when to upgrade but that's different between each organisations :)

With regards to the post it may not be an IT professionals choice as to what they do and do not like but rather a requirement to 'live' with based on their occupation
 

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