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Do you plan to use third-party antivirus and firewall?

View Poll Results: Do you plan to install third-party antivirus and firewall?

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  • Third party antivirus, Windows 8 firewall

    30 17.96%
  • Windows 8 antivirus, Third-party firewall

    5 2.99%
  • Third party antivirus and firewall

    44 26.35%
  • Windows 8 antivirus and firewall

    88 52.69%
  1. #31


    Hafnarfjörður IS
    Posts : 4,376
    Linux Centos 7, W8.1, W7, W2K3 Server W10


    Hi there
    Ms has re-written parts of Windows which hackers regarded as leaky as a sieve. The whole Memory Heap stuff has been re-coded thereby closing a well used (in Hacker circles) weakness in Windows -- force a memory overflow into a buffer and start messing around there with the nasty stuff.

    Finally Ms has well and truly fixed this -- and as this is so central to the kernel of the OS I doubt if Ms will pass these details on to AV suppliers.

    IMO the best people to protect an OS are those who coded it in the first place rather than rely on 3rd party suppliers attempting to "Reverse Engineer" bits of Windows and basing their software on the result of their reverse engineering --which could be flawed in the first place or worse could actually open other areas to exploitation by malware writers.

    I've long since said that the days of FREE consumer grade AV stuff are over -- there isn't ANY need for this sort of stuff in W8 -- If Windows defender can't defend itself against malware then nobody else will be able to either.

    Your best bet is to supply Windows updates frequently and ABOVE ALL safe surfing and NEVER EVER open email - especially with attachments when you don't know the sender (or even if you DO in certain cases !!).

    Corporate protection is another matter as it's not only malware that needs to be defended against. You have to be concerned with Denial of Service attacks , massive spam attacks etc etc. The discussion here I presume refers to personal copies of W8 on people OWN laptops / desktops rather than company supplied machines.

    I would assume that anybody using a HOME router would certainly enable the built in firewall and regularly check its logs to see if anybody has attempted to attach themselves to your network -- if you use torrent sites - doubly important too.

    Other than that and Windows own firewall you shouldn't need any other protection.

    I usually go one step further though -- any software I download I try and check out as much as I can on a Virtual machine --only then do I copy it to a real machine. With a Virtual machine if all goes wring then just delete that VM and create a new one. It's rare that you have to test stuff on physical hardware first these days although you do have to do it sometimes --then TAKE BACKUP before you start.

    I also never (or extremely rarely) surf the net on a physical machine --I always do it through a small VM just for that purpose. I use a small W8 VM - running off an SSD it's still almost as fast as a physical machine.

    On that VM I also have email accounts too so if any rubbish gets through it won't contaminate my main machine.
    Hyper-V on W8 allows VM's to run in the background which can be started automatically on Boot. VMware workstation does this too but HYPER-V is FREE with W8.

    (120GB SSD allows plenty of space for my primary OS and the VM I use for surfing the web).

    Cheers
    jimbo

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  2. #32


    Posts : 11
    Windows 8 Release Preview evaluation 8400 x64


    Windows 8 antivirus and firewall do good job. If my computer ends up infected then I will install Avast.
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  3. #33


    Hafnarfjörður IS
    Posts : 4,376
    Linux Centos 7, W8.1, W7, W2K3 Server W10


    Quote Originally Posted by virus View Post
    Windows 8 antivirus and firewall do good job. If my computer ends up infected then I will install Avast.
    If your computer ends up infected do you REALLY think Avast has any better chance of saving it than Windows defender.
    I doubt it somehow.

    W8 is a WHOLE DIFFERENT BALLGAME to what you might be used to in W7 (or previous windows versions such as Vista or XP).

    Note that the rules have SIGNIFICANTLY changed for W8 -- we are all getting bogged down in the whole Metro vs Traditional desktop debate -- but honestly one of the BEST features of W8 is that it's actually quite secure against viruses etc.

    Of course no OS can protect you against totally idiotic Surfing and stupid practices like opening emails from "Nigerian Businessman- please pay 1,000 USD so I can release 250,000 dollars and I'll pay you 15,000 for the privilege of being able to use your bank account to get my money out of the country".

    If people still fall for scams like that - or "the Canadian Lottery" well you deserve what you get.

    Cheers
    jimbo
    Last edited by jimbo45; 31 Jul 2012 at 14:56.
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  4. #34


    Posts : 30
    Win 7 Ultimate (32bit), Win 8 CP (32bit)


    Lot of files which I could run on win 7 no longer run on win 8 due to security issues, so I'm sure that the security has been tightened in win 8 which is a good thing
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  5. #35


    Posts : 5,707
    Windows 8.1 Pro


    Quote Originally Posted by paarkhi View Post
    Lot of files which I could run on win 7 no longer run on win 8 due to security issues, so I'm sure that the security has been tightened in win 8 which is a good thing
    Do you get the metroie SmartScreen dialog?
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  6. #36


    Posts : 5,707
    Windows 8.1 Pro


    I find that the default Windows Defender in 8 will be plenty fine for basically a vast majority of people. After using it since the DP and seeing that it caught about 65-70 percent of the STDs on foreign hard drives, it's pretty solid. It blocks potential attack as well too. Along with system wide SmartScreen from Windows to Internet Explorer, Defender, and UAC, I see solid virus free systems in my future.
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  7. #37


    Posts : 15
    Windows 8.1 Pro


    As for the programs which no longer run, I would call it 'control issues' rather tban security. We seem to be getting more Apple-like every day.
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  8. #38


    India
    Posts : 285
    Windows 8.1 Pro 64 Bit


    Avast+Windows 8 firewall.
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  9. #39


    Posts : 11
    Windows 8 Release Preview evaluation 8400 x64


    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by virus View Post
    Windows 8 antivirus and firewall do good job. If my computer ends up infected then I will install Avast.
    If your computer ends up infected do you REALLY think Avast has any better chance of saving it than Windows defender.
    I doubt it somehow.

    W8 is a WHOLE DIFFERENT BALLGAME to what you might be used to in W7 (or previous windows versions such as Vista or XP).

    Note that the rules have SIGNIFICANTLY changed for W8 -- we are all getting bogged down in the whole Metro vs Traditional desktop debate -- but honestly one of the BEST features of W8 is that it's actually quite secure against viruses etc.

    Of course no OS can protect you against totally idiotic Surfing and stupid practices like opening emails from "Nigerian Businessman- please pay 1,000 USD so I can release 250,000 dollars and I'll pay you 15,000 for the privilege of being able to use your bank account to get my money out of the country".

    If people still fall for scams like that - or "the Canadian Lottery" well you deserve what you get.

    Cheers
    jimbo

    cause stone cold said so...
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  10. #40


    Covington, La
    Posts : 1,184
    Windows 7 HP 64bit, Windows 8.1 Pro w/Media Center 64BIT


    While waiting on the next Beta of NIS 2013 I tried Windows Defender in Windows 8 RP. I have Windows Updates to not install but wait for my go ahead, which prevents WD from auto updating definitions. Also I can not find a setting to schedule a scan. It only gives me manual choices. I wish it had its own updater that could be set to check on a specific schedule and install the update.

    Jim
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