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  1. #1


    Posts : 152
    Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit SP1

    AV for win 8


    In my host Win 7 OS, I use MSE for real-time and Malwarebytes (free edition) for on-demand.

    In Win 8, Windows Defender is MSE.
    So, do I need another anti-virus program, or do I just install Malwarebytes free edition for on-demand ?
    If I do need an AV, will Avast free edition be compatible with Win 8 ?
    I do mean Avast free edition, not the paid version.

    t-4-2

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  2. #2


    USA
    Posts : 100
    Windows 7 Professional


    Quote Originally Posted by t-4-2 View Post
    In my host Win 7 OS, I use MSE for real-time and Malwarebytes (free edition) for on-demand.

    In Win 8, Windows Defender is MSE.
    So, do I need another anti-virus program, or do I just install Malwarebytes free edition for on-demand ?
    If I do need an AV, will Avast free edition be compatible with Win 8 ?
    I do mean Avast free edition, not the paid version.

    t-4-2
    You will just need Malwarebytes for on demand scanning.
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  3. #3


    Posts : 152
    Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit SP1


    Thank you.

    t-4-2
    ( I still have to give rep to others more before I can give it to you. Sorry. )
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  4. #4


    Hafnarfjörður IS
    Posts : 4,376
    Linux Centos 7, W8.1, W7, W2K3 Server W10


    Quote Originally Posted by windude99 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by t-4-2 View Post
    In my host Win 7 OS, I use MSE for real-time and Malwarebytes (free edition) for on-demand.

    In Win 8, Windows Defender is MSE.
    So, do I need another anti-virus program, or do I just install Malwarebytes free edition for on-demand ?
    If I do need an AV, will Avast free edition be compatible with Win 8 ?
    I do mean Avast free edition, not the paid version.

    t-4-2
    You will just need Malwarebytes for on demand scanning.
    Hi there


    Why bother with Malwarebytes any more.

    Windows defender (W8 version) will scan anytime you want it to whether "Manually" or by automatic scheduling.

    Screenshot enclosed. choose the Settings to arrange automatic scans.


    (Go to Control panel double click Windows defender). To get control panel in W8 via standard method == charms bar settings and it's at the top.

    Things like FREE 3rd party AV software really are NOT necessary any more -- I'm not against 3rd party products but who better knows the INTERNAL KERNEL of the OS better than the people who make it i.e MS --also they can react quickly to new virus threats and push out updates with the normal windows update mechanism.

    I don't expect TOO many of these firms will exist for too much longer --especially for supplying to the HOME PC market.

    Corporate and Militiary strength protection is something else.

    Also the FREE version of Malwarebytes comes with a caveat -- they will always want you to get the "PRO" (i.e PAY FOR) version which has "SUPER DOOPER MEGA FEATURES" in it -- so can you even be sure that the same sort of effort is spent on the freedbie compared with the commercial product.

    W8 with Windows defender and the forthcoming public releases of IE10 and IE11 have changed the whole "security" game on home PC's. Ms is definitely also making sure as many of the Windows defender real time protection mechanisms are built in to I.E10 / I.E 11 as well instead of "post execution" analysis.

    Honestly guys W8 with Windows defender will be about as secure as it can get -- nothing is 100% secure but it uses almost ZERO resources and will be just as good (or bad depending on your view) as anybody else's product and it's a lot easier to manage --runs and updates seamlessly with the OS.

    It's a TOTALLY different ball game to previous Windows releases where older mechanisms still need to be used.

    Cheers
    jimbo
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  5. #5


    My only gripe with MSE is that it doesn't detect rootkits...that right there is reason enough for me not to use it.
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  6. #6


    Posts : 30
    Windows 8 RP x64


    Quote Originally Posted by Konceptz804 View Post
    My only gripe with MSE is that it doesn't detect rootkits...that right there is reason enough for me not to use it.
    MSE (Windows Defender in W8) does detect rootkits;

    Microsoft Security Essentials - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Microsoft Security Essentials (MSE) is an antivirus that provides protection against different types of malware such as computer virus, spyware, rootkits and Trojan horses.
    Also;

    Later on October that year, AV-Test.org conducted a series of trials on the officially released version of the product in which Microsoft Security Essentials detected and caught 98.44 percent of 545,034 computer viruses, computer worms and software Trojan horses as well as 90.95 percent of 14,222 spyware and adware samples. It also detected and eliminated all 25 tested rootkits. Microsoft Security Essentials generated no false-positives at all.
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  7. #7


    Quote Originally Posted by ilovewindows8 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Konceptz804 View Post
    My only gripe with MSE is that it doesn't detect rootkits...that right there is reason enough for me not to use it.
    MSE (Windows Defender in W8) does detect rootkits;

    Microsoft Security Essentials - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Microsoft Security Essentials (MSE) is an antivirus that provides protection against different types of malware such as computer virus, spyware, rootkits and Trojan horses.
    Also;

    Later on October that year, AV-Test.org conducted a series of trials on the officially released version of the product in which Microsoft Security Essentials detected and caught 98.44 percent of 545,034 computer viruses, computer worms and software Trojan horses as well as 90.95 percent of 14,222 spyware and adware samples. It also detected and eliminated all 25 tested rootkits. Microsoft Security Essentials generated no false-positives at all.
    I stand corrected . Does the Win7 version also detect rootkits?
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  8. #8


    We'll have to take a negative on that one, Folks. Microsoft Security Essentials detects root kits, but will not run on Windows 8. Windows Defender gets rid of spyware, and the Windows 8 version also contains an anti-virus. but I can find no mention of it getting rid of root kits.
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  9. #9


    Posts : 30
    Windows 8 RP x64


    Quote Originally Posted by Vince53 View Post
    We'll have to take a negative on that one, Folks. Microsoft Security Essentials detects root kits, but will not run on Windows 8. Windows Defender gets rid of spyware, and the Windows 8 version also contains an anti-virus. but I can find no mention of it getting rid of root kits.
    Windows Defender is MSE in Windows 8, hence why they had the hard block on MSE. So in W8 you get MSE + original Defender in one package for anti-virus, anti-spyware and anti-malware.
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  10. #10


    Hafnarfjörður IS
    Posts : 4,376
    Linux Centos 7, W8.1, W7, W2K3 Server W10


    Quote Originally Posted by windude99 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by t-4-2 View Post
    In my host Win 7 OS, I use MSE for real-time and Malwarebytes (free edition) for on-demand.

    In Win 8, Windows Defender is MSE.
    So, do I need another anti-virus program, or do I just install Malwarebytes free edition for on-demand ?
    If I do need an AV, will Avast free edition be compatible with Win 8 ?
    I do mean Avast free edition, not the paid version.

    t-4-2
    You will just need Malwarebytes for on demand scanning.
    ???? Pourquoi Warum why ????

    Windows defender can scan any time you want it to --just go into control panel, double click windows defender and then you'll see a screen almost identical to the old MSE one. Just choose SCAN now !!!!!

    Forget 3rd party av software these days with W8 for HOME computers --waste of money now. (Corporates --another story of course).

    Cheers
    jimbo
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