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New Variant of "FAKE" Security Essentials to be aware of!

  1. #11


    Hafnarfjörður IS
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    Linux Centos 7, W8.1, W7, W2K3 Server W10


    Hi there
    I created a Windows to Go on an external USB drive using a "Reference" machine (a Desktop actually) with a load of useful apps on it.

    Partition size approx. 45 GB (inc Ms office / Photoshop CS5.5 etc).

    I then imaged this and installed it as the main (or Internal OS on the "C" drive on five different computers -- the different hardware worked perfectly - even the Sony VAIO integrated SD/MMC card reader with the second slot for the Sony memory sticks worked on the Sony Laptop.

    After initial boot on a new machine the system just adds the devices it finds (if it can -- haven't had a failure yet) and then it's fine.

    I only got asked to re-activate Office on a new machine the ist time it's used - but it's a VL (or MAK) licence so no probs with that either.

    55 Mins on the slowest Machine to restore, 21 on the fastest.

    Saving Gigs of User data is a different ballgame -- this should be done probably in stages - you rarely need to backup / restore TB's of user data in one go.

    Cheers
    jimbo

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  2. #12


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    1st W10 Professional x64/W7 Ultimate x64 - 2nd Remote system: W10 Insider Builds/W7 Professional


    The 7 drive here now sees some 573.4++gb of data total with some temporary video files. Once removed for the image the image itself came in at 497gb for the entire host drive including the 100mb System Reserved. The previous image had been 465gb approx. when using the Windows backup option for the full system image.

    For individual partitions and other drives the option for Acronis is then considered to complete any image backups. Those drives however never see any images made from since some of the older XP downloads for example once updated protections went on found bugs contained with certain zip file downloads that apparently were downloaded at one time but never used.

    Your OS and programs as well as unreplacable data, files are always going to be the first consideration. But for loose files on a separate storage it's often best to simply back them up on another drive rather then risking any mix in an image due to this kind of vulnerability.
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  3. #13


    Hafnarfjörður IS
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    Linux Centos 7, W8.1, W7, W2K3 Server W10


    Quote Originally Posted by Night Hawk View Post
    The 7 drive here now sees some 573.4++gb of data total with some temporary video files. Once removed for the image the image itself came in at 497gb for the entire host drive including the 100mb System Reserved. The previous image had been 465gb approx. when using the Windows backup option for the full system image.

    For individual partitions and other drives the option for Acronis is then considered to complete any image backups. Those drives however never see any images made from since some of the older XP downloads for example once updated protections went on found bugs contained with certain zip file downloads that apparently were downloaded at one time but never used.

    Your OS and programs as well as unreplacable data, files are always going to be the first consideration. But for loose files on a separate storage it's often best to simply back them up on another drive rather then risking any mix in an image due to this kind of vulnerability.
    Hi there
    Agreed

    A Good reason therefore always to create a small OS partition (possibly with the small 100MB reserved partition if required) and store your OS / Applications on it. Even a largish installation shouldn't need much more than around 55 GB (at the most !!).

    Store your data in places to suit -- there's a lot to be said for having MOST of your data not even online until you need it.

    Since I installed a 120 GB SSD a laptop I've organised my data much more efficiently -- I take what I "Think" I need on an external USB drive / a couple of usb sticks. If I need something I haven't got available -- I can retrieve it from a Server at home or just wait until I get home.

    Installing an SSD has the great effect of making you REALLY THINK about what data you NEED to have present on the machine since capacity is at a premium.

    Backing up the 55 GB OS partition from the SSD to an HDD took around 21 mins -- well worth the time to do it.

    I'm using Acronis Trie Image Home 2011 -- don't get the 2012 version -- activation procedure a pain -- and if you aren't on the net at random times when it "Phones Home" for license checking -- tough !!. - If I've paid the license why SHOULD I have to be on the Net -- EVER !!!.

    People who design THAT level of security into their products will rapidly find themselves out of business. - I LIKE acronis but I'm looking for an alternative -- Macrium doesn't seem to like W8 CP.

    Cheers
    jimbo
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  4. #14


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    1st W10 Professional x64/W7 Ultimate x64 - 2nd Remote system: W10 Insider Builds/W7 Professional


    Why am I not surprized at Macrium not playing well with 8? The same will be found for many programs that haven't released any updated version lately in anticipation of 8. DisplayFusion does have a newer 8 in mind version while UltraMon used here got stuck on the option to add a move button to all windows for bouncing windows back and forth between lcds.

    Now as far as having drive space available on C this would be more for the desktop not portable where you would run the bulk of "C dependent" programs as well as those that require space. For a 64bit 7 install that takes up not much more then 16gb of actual drive space proceeding all updates and SP1 installs.

    So where does a large volume of drive space go? For the 64bit install's Program Files folder only 3.57gb. But for the Program Files(x86) folder "Surprize!" a whopping 203gb of drive space taken. Still want any 120gb drive?

    That doesn't include all programs either since several see folders at the root of C or under the users\user account name sub folders which include the MS VPC and others like VBox and VMwares. Just that stuff alone before getting into the VMs and other files in constant accummilation like various snippings taken and kept onhand would bately fit on a 320gb drive.

    Besides the temporary video and other files which simply are dumped after so much time and prior to any scheduled system image the bulk of files not needed to be present and actually preferred on other then C so as not to chew up drive space and for long term storage are placed on the main storage and backed up on the secondary storage drives when space on the other HDs allows for it.

    The other drives also hold or did depending on what previously acquired files, downloads for XP and Vista where the XP downloads in a few instances has seen a few slippery bugs previously undetected by other security wares! "Cutting out the Fat" however is the effort made before creating a full image backup to prevent the size from growing too big when not necessary.

    Don't feel bad about the activation issues with the latest Acronis then. Fortunately the 2010 will do well here as well as the free Acronis Disk Director suite available through Western Digital or Seagate for their customer base to consider as another option when lacking a retail release. You can run into this type of situation with any number of paid for softwares.

    With NeoDVD in order to preserve the activation when buying the latest version at the time for 7 the support stated "I had to be" connected online when going to uninstall first the full version before moving up from beta to RC or RC to retail. When explained I was testing 7 back at the time the tech extended the number of reinstalls which did get used up. That would be one needing a newer version on a clean install of Windows at this time.

    I suspect the backup features in 8 will be as good if not improved a little while access to the new Metro styled repair tools can be more of a real project when trying to repair in a live session! If an 8 install gets whammed by a bug or sees another unable to boot issue it will take a bit longer to access the repair tools simply to locate and restore a full image if not using the automatic repair or manual command prompt options.

    As for the need of a clean install of 7 any time soon? I could still see that done in a day or so given time to reinstall everything presently on now without restoring a system image. Everything present on C excluding VHDs as well as various user files not downloaded programs kept onhand would simply be backed up before wiping C entirely.
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  5. #15


    Hafnarfjörður IS
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    Linux Centos 7, W8.1, W7, W2K3 Server W10


    Hi there Nighthawk

    I have on a USB stick a folder called "Installables" where I have either the ISO's or the install files for the applications I want to run on my W7 / W8 systems. Serial numbers if any are stored with each application as APPLICATION.TXT.

    The main ones are Adobe CS5.5 suite
    Office Enterprise
    Acronis 2011 True image Home
    AVS Video converter
    TmpGenc DVD authoring
    Partition Wizard
    Visio
    Project
    Winamp
    some Music streaming applications
    Some stock exchange analysis programs such as Metastock
    VLC
    AnyDVD
    Vmware workstation (although possibly will use Hyper-V in W8)
    Winrar
    one or two video converters
    Squeezebox server (for Music streaming)
    Special drivers like Sony double card reader, Webcam etc.

    This takes approx 12 GB on a 16 USB stick.

    So if I WIPE a W7 / W8 installation - after re-installing it I just insert the usb stick and re-install all the applications . Doesn't take too long even from Scratch

    With all those apps installed My "C" drive on W8 was around 40 GB -- I made it 50 GB just in case of adding more apps.

    The other 70 GB I use for data I NEED to have on the PC at that moment when it's too inconvenient to use an external device.

    Having an SSD DOES make you get stuff organized -- before I did this I could spend ages looking for old CD's / searching old USB drives etc for individual applications.

    Now even a complete OS re-install with all the applications is a doddle.

    On a 32 GB stick I can even store the image of the OS in addition to the application installables so it's even easier to restore the whole kybosh and keep everything in one place.

    These days it should be really simple to image the OS - whatever program you use it shouldn't take long backing up a 40 GB OS partition.- and even on large spinners keep the user data in separate folders / partitions and back these up as and when.

    So if you get infected with Malware and have this type of approach then it won't take long to either recover the OS or in extreme cases re-install everything quickly and easily.

    (Of course with things like Office 2010 after a re-install there will be a myriad of updates until new service packs are available -- but at least your system is up and running while downloading the updates).

    Cheers
    jimbo
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  6. #16


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    Unfortunately many of the programs here the installation from the physical media namely cd or dvd. Some programs would not be able to be reactivated either. That tends to limit the options here for a full recovery on those in particular.

    As far as anything downloaded like utilities I never have to worry if the host drive simply went DOA since the downloads typically go to the primary storage drive's folders as well as the backup of those folders on the next drive used for storing VMs, VHDs, and even to the external HD depending on just the download is.

    IE Favorites, bookmarks from other browsers are backed up to the primary storage in case of a reinstall or newer version of same since the previous system image will lack anything new added as well as any new programs or updates since. But for any malware event or other situation like a drive failing the system image can put you back in the running in a much shorter period of time.

    The clean install comes at some point when the registry is polluted over a lengthy period of time and Windows starts dragging it's feet on you. The fastest install time so far has been seen with 7. The CP install to the second OS drive literally took a full hour when installed from a dvd burn. I'll likely wait for the RC when trying out the USB Install Key and mounted iso installs to see how those fare.
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