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  1. #11


    cCleaner is one of the very first ever home pc user utilities back in the day when a 108mb HDD cost a couple of hundred!! I have used it, off and on, since them, without a hitch.

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    Hafnarfjörður IS
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    Linux Centos 7, W8.1, W7, W2K3 Server W10


    Hi there

    Why on earth do people ever use these types of programs --just before making changes simply backup your system (you should do this regularly anyway) then if the change doesn't work then simply restore your image (about 30 mins on a typical system). Always keep the OS and pgms separate from the data so if you restore / re-install Windows then you don't lose your data.

    Forget ccleaner, Revo uninstaller or all this other junk that messes around with the registry.

    (There's a good set of FREE programs for being able to take backups such as Free Macrium etc).

    Cheers
    jimbo
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    win8.1.1 enterprise


    to each there own i guess jimbo ,ccleaner has removed registry entries and fixed the issues on computers i work on for family and friends ,many times over the years i have been using it
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  4. #14


    There are some uses for Ccleaner, for people that do not know too much but it's not to be left to it's own devices, no automatic cleaning, just some targeted cleaning. Advanced System Care and AVG PC Tuneup can be outright dangerous. Those "Miracle Speed-em-uppers" I'm not even going to consider.
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    Regarding backups, I have never, ever, successfully made a backup and then used it to return a pc to the state at the time of the backup. There is always windows reporting something wrong with it. I have not done one for years, so cant give you an example. BUT, what I do do is that I have a 500GB HDD in a dock by the pc, linked by usb. If I am doing something 'dodgy' or likely to cause a reinstall (whatever reason), I put my images, web stuff, documents etc onto the drive. And my wifes too. My daughter, also on this pc, has her own external drives and keeps all her stuff in those. I just say to her, back it all up, in case.
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    Hafnarfjörður IS
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    Linux Centos 7, W8.1, W7, W2K3 Server W10


    Quote Originally Posted by elbmek View Post
    Regarding backups, I have never, ever, successfully made a backup and then used it to return a pc to the state at the time of the backup. There is always windows reporting something wrong with it. I have not done one for years, so cant give you an example. BUT, what I do do is that I have a 500GB HDD in a dock by the pc, linked by usb. If I am doing something 'dodgy' or likely to cause a reinstall (whatever reason), I put my images, web stuff, documents etc onto the drive. And my wifes too. My daughter, also on this pc, has her own external drives and keeps all her stuff in those. I just say to her, back it all up, in case.
    Hi there

    To make a decent Windows backup do the following :

    1) Ensure Windows OS and applications is on it's OWN partition - Shouldn't need to be more than around 60 GB even for a lot of applications installed. Keep your USER DATA (Music, photos, videos, documents, etc) in a DIFFERENT partition or HDD.

    2) Whatever backup program you have create a BOOTABLE version and write it to a bootable device (USB stick is the easiest).

    3) BEFORE ANYTHING ELSE test the bootable USB you made actually boots and starts your program (Don't do anything else at this stage).


    4) Boot Windows back again - This simply checks that the backup program hasn't hosed your system boot.

    If step 3 fails you probably have PROTECTED BOOT enabled -- simply disable protected boot (NOT UEFI) and allow Legacy OS's to boot. The backup program will probably ask you if you want to run a UEFI or a standard version - doesn't really matter so long as the thing boots !!!.

    5) OK the program is working -- so now boot it up and backup BOTH the "C" drive and the SYSTEM PARTITION (if it exists). Many RESTORES fail because people have forgotten the small system partition as well.

    6) Ideally if you have a swappable HDD you could test the RESTORE to this HDD and boot from that. In general though modern versions of Acronis, Macrium etc all work just fine and if they fail to restore there's more likely a basic problem with your set up.

    7) After restoring your OS - RE-ENABLE PROTECTED BOOT if you disabled it originally. Remember also that the System partition must be set to ACTIVE (if you only have a C partition then that must be the ACTIVE one). Some of these recovery programs request you to specify partition type - if there's no ACTIVE partition you can't Boot --simple as that. !!!!

    8) DO NOT have the OS on a LOGICAL partition (MBR type - older "classic" systems). This will cause NO END OF GRIEF later.

    If your OS is on a Logical partition - Back it up as above - but then re-partition the HDD (saving your USER DATA too - simply copy via this File explorer to another HDD) and create a PRIMARY partition for the OS. Restore as before - but it WILL fail initially. Use the Windows recovery media / create a Windows recovery disk - tutorial in the Forum) to REPAIR system. This will fix the boot problem.

    Backup is incredibly important so spend time on this until you are happy you can backup and restore your system without any problems. IT IS WORTH THE EFFORT.

    For re-partitioning etc - a very useful tool is GPARTED - either download any old Linux Live cd or download the stand alone version.

    Cheers
    jimbo
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    thanks for the info jimbo, sounds complicated.
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  8. #18


    Quote Originally Posted by elbmek View Post
    thanks for the info jimbo, sounds complicated.
    It really does,but after of reading a couple of times through Image your system with free Macrium Solved - Windows 7 Help Forums,it has become my most trusted backup solution.I has indeed worked more than two or three times,with a SSD,it doesnt take more than 10 minutes,it simply works.Done it with Seven,still using it with Eight and while i still tinker with 8.1,i keep an image of it,before any major change.
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