Windows 8 and 8.1 Forums


Test your AV program

  1. #51


    I tried to keep this at a minimum. Airing out a few things, so I hope you donít mind I get on my soap box.

    Iíll open by stating that I very much dislike dealing with malware and AV products, including Defender. It gets worse every year. Heaven help those who write and administer malicious code, but sometimes I donít know whoís worse > Them or the AV industry in general. To me itís like one has to pick the lesser of all the evil with what seems to me deceit that goes on about which product is better than the other.

    Iíve got to say Iím really leery once more of this AMTSO organization. Another non-for-profit org out to defeat evil. Ok. Sounds good, but someone has to pocket some money somewhere. You know > Itís like one of those non-for-profit donation orgs where the CEO makes $30MIL. Perhaps Iím a bit too pessimistic.

    On their ďAbout UsĒ page they give a physical address to c/o a rather large law firm out of San Francisco? This really threw up a red flag for me. What is that? > ďDonít you dare try to sue us if you have a problem!??? AMTSO - About Us

    Ok. Letís assume this is a legit organization thatís really trying to help conquer the evil.

    There is no perfect AV. I think we can all agree on that. Actually we are our best defense against them by means of our surfing habits and knowledge of how they attack, such as email attachments, internet site pages (especially sexual subject), misleading browser links, and the like. Hereís just one good thread that encompasses practical guidance and solutions. I totally agree with the disk image solution at the end > Refresh/replace rather than detect/repair in extreme cases. BTW, Wolfgangís ISO is still available for download. https://www.eightforums.com/system-se...ever-seen.html

    I used MSE since introduction in September of 2009 while using W7 Pro. In the past 4 years Iíve gotten 2 viruses, of which Defender has caught and quarantined. I used to use SpyBot spyware (free edition) along with that scanning approximately once a month for spyware. Although a little leery of MSEís effectiveness at first, what I liked about it was that it used far, far less resources while running in the background. I think I was using Norton before I switched. It was free via my ISP. It used far more resources, especially with Vista. I have not had a virus while using 8RP, 8, or since using 8.1 to date.

    Anywho > For the real meat and potatoes for this thread. Defender only passed two tests on my machine. I got Defender Modern/Metro warning popups when files attempted to load during the first two tests, of which I didnít allow download. The next 3 tests (with no warning popups) files got downloaded of which I allowed. I did a quick scan straightway and as you can see it detected and quarantined them.

    Click image for larger version

    Click image for larger version

    One question I have > Is it fair to test Defender with these files since MS isnít a ďparticipating vendorĒ?

    Vendor Participation
    The way these tests work is really quite simple. Participating antivirus vendors just agree that they will configure their product to detect specific harmless files or Web pages the same way they would a malicious file. Fifteen major vendors have signed on so far, though not all of them support all of the feature checks. Tony Anscombe, AMTSOís VP of Marketing, explained that ďAMTSO expect more vendors will add detection of these tools to their solutions in the future.Ē
    Obviously all the testsí files were in Defenderís dictionary otherwise I wouldnít have gotten the popups or that it found them. I see the last test failed and they embedded in my user files.

    BTW, thereís some things I donít like about Defender. The big one is that itís not very configurable so far as its interface. E.g. I have change the argument in Defender scan properties within Task Scheduler to perform a full scan, not a quick scan, which just scans system files. I never understood why MS didnít set up full scan as default. Donít they care about personal files? Windows Defender Scheduled Scan - Set Up in Windows 8

    Perhaps I have to rethink Defender, perhaps not. Bottom line with them all > I think we all still wonder what sits on our machines even if we have AV.

      My System SpecsSystem Spec

  2. #52


    Harrisonburg, Va.
    Posts : 10,488
    Windows 8.1.1 Pro with Media Center


    No, I don't believe you were too pessimistic.
      My System SpecsSystem Spec

  3. #53


    Posts : 2,191
    Windows 8.1


    One question I have > Is it fair to test Defender with these files since MS isnít a ďparticipating vendorĒ?
    Hi Tony,

    No, it is not a fair comparison and I wouldn't expect defender to pass those last three tests either. Also, keep in mind that many of those participating vendors only offer to meet those testing standards in their "paid versions." That's why I was so surprised to see that Avast 2014 Free passed all 5 tests. This tells me that Avast has included heuristic and intelligent scanning technologies into their free version (and so has Panda Free Cloud to a certain extent) where many others only reserve those features for their full versions of software. This was quite evident when I tested bitdefender (full version) against bitdefender free awhile back. Now, if you dig into the specs for both, you'll see the difference in the technologies being used. Specifically, bitdefender free seems to want to run continuously in the background (during idle cpu times); whereas, the paid version does not have to do that... and neither does Avast BTW. Now, don't get me wrong. Bitdefender free is a great product; however, its continual need to run in the background was a real turn-off for me.

    Cheer friend!

    my2cents
      My System SpecsSystem Spec

  4. #54


    Posts : 419
    Windows 8.1 x64


    No silly "test" like this is going to make me switch from Defender. Defender passed #1, #2 passed, #3 most of the time aren't threats, #4 is handled by Firefox, #5 is not applicable.
      My System SpecsSystem Spec

  5. #55


    Harrisonburg, Va.
    Posts : 10,488
    Windows 8.1.1 Pro with Media Center


    Quote Originally Posted by LovingWindows View Post
    No silly "test" like this is going to make me switch from Defender. Defender passed #1, #2 passed, #3 most of the time aren't threats, #4 is handled by Firefox, #5 is not applicable.
    There are more than 1 test:

    Free Online Virus Scan - Antivirus Software - Trend Micro USA

    https://www.google.com/search?client...antivirus+free

    How to check if your antivirus is active or not?


    I wouldn't think ALL of them are "silly".
    Last edited by David Bailey; 19 Feb 2014 at 20:02.
      My System SpecsSystem Spec

  6. #56


    Quote Originally Posted by David Bailey View Post
    No, I don't believe you were too pessimistic.
    Thank you, David.
      My System SpecsSystem Spec

  7. #57


    Harrisonburg, Va.
    Posts : 10,488
    Windows 8.1.1 Pro with Media Center


    I am running the free Trend Micro test now.

    Free Online Virus Scan - Antivirus Software - Trend Micro USA

    I'll post the results when it is finished.
      My System SpecsSystem Spec

  8. #58


    Harrisonburg, Va.
    Posts : 10,488
    Windows 8.1.1 Pro with Media Center


    Results>>>

    Click image for larger version
      My System SpecsSystem Spec

  9. #59


    Quote Originally Posted by my2cents View Post
    One question I have > Is it fair to test Defender with these files since MS isn’t a “participating vendor”?
    Hi Tony,

    No, it is not a fair comparison and I wouldn't expect defender to pass those last three tests either. Also, keep in mind that many of those participating vendors only offer to meet those testing standards in their "paid versions." That's why I was so surprised to see that Avast 2014 Free passed all 5 tests. This tells me that Avast has included heuristic and intelligent scanning technologies into their free version (and so has Panda Free Cloud to a certain extent) where many others only reserve those features for their full versions of software. This was quite evident when I tested bitdefender (full version) against bitdefender free awhile back. Now, if you dig into the specs for both, you'll see the difference in the technologies being used. Specifically, bitdefender free seems to want to run continuously in the background (during idle cpu times); whereas, the paid version does not have to do that... and neither does Avast BTW. Now, don't get me wrong. Bitdefender free is a great product; however, its continual need to run in the background was a real turn-off for me.

    Cheer friend!

    my2cents
    Thanks for the info and insight. I may switch. I'll have to chew on it awhile.

    on this thread!
      My System SpecsSystem Spec

  10. #60


    Canon City
    Posts : 249
    Windows 8.1 Pro 64 Bit


    So what bothers me is a few days back I bought Avast Internet Security and Malwarebytes Pro which came to a grand total of $44.95. The wife and I were walking around Walmart and I passed by the software section and was looking at AV on the shelves and almost everyone of them was $40 or more. Wish more people would understand shopping online is the way to go and not to mention I have read that Avast typically has a higher detection rate then store sold AV's.
      My System SpecsSystem Spec

Page 6 of 6 FirstFirst ... 456
Test your AV program
Related Threads
Hello, I'm looking for a command prompt script or other file to be able to manually enter a time to run a file. The idea I'm looking for is to execute the script or other file, enter a time into a pop-up prompt (i.e. 9:24) and have the computer execute the file at that time. I'm looking...
Hello friends My program and features list is emptied by malware but all programs are working normally. Please help me how do I re-entry the deleted (not uninstalled) programs' name in the control panel program and features?
Hi, I want to have a program (B) close automatically when I quit another program (A). I have created a .bat file, and it looks like this: What I would like to do it have the "GamersWindowRelocator.exe" (B) quit automatically when I exit/quit the first program (steam://run/220260) (A),...
Eight Forums Android App Eight Forums IOS App Follow us on Facebook