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  1. #31


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    Quote Originally Posted by elbmek View Post
    When I bought my pc; the first thing I did was uninstall Norton, same for two laptops. Norton is VERY heavy software to use and is takes over such a large amount of the relevant system. Not only that but not many people know but it plants a spyware software hidden in the symantec folder which is NOT deleted on uninstall. but it can be manually deleted if you know its there. norton then continue to monitor your usage even when its not in the computer.
    So you never actually used the software and are just going on all the old bullshit that was on the net huh! Sure the old versions were crap but then so is most software.
    You need to provide proof and not just innuendo. I know if it was my software I would be suing you for defamation.

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  2. #32


    Tut, tut, veldthui. Norton does leave behind "Spyware". It did on my new HP Laptop when I uninstalled it. I went through the registry with a fine tooth comb to get rid of it completely. I wished I had installed VS Revo earlier, that would have saved me a lot time.

    As said before, by other Forum members, "Each to his Own!".
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  3. #33


    Toronto, Canada. Born in the U.K.
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    Win 10 Pro + Win 7 Ult SP1 (x64)


    It's not spyware, it's merely remnants....their removal tool removes it.
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  4. #34


    HI Ex_Brit,

    You say that it is "not spyware". Any uninstalled programs that monitor your usage, to me, is Spyware. We will agree to disagree. All I know that VS Revo Uninstall saves me time and bother, especially on new PC's/Laptops, when you need/want to get rid of manufactures software + addons.
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  5. #35


    Toronto, Canada. Born in the U.K.
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    Win 10 Pro + Win 7 Ult SP1 (x64)


    To you maybe it seems that way, but I doubt very much that is it's intention and I don't think it's good to spread false information. Just because something is sitting there it isn't necessarily spying on you. All software leaves bits behind and any reputable software maker has a removal tool for that purpose. If you had searched Symantec's website you would have found it. The trouble with 3rd party 'uninstallers' is that, in the hands of less experienced people, damage to the system can be caused because they can easily remove more than they are intended to. Veldthui has a point about the risk of defamation lawsuits from manufacturers accused falsely. I mean think about it. Symantec through their Norton line of products are in the business of protecting individuals and businesses and I think they would take great exception to being accused of doing the opposite apart from it being simply illogical that they would plant spyware on peoples' machines.
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  6. #36


    A lot of programs leave mile long tails behind when not completely uninstalled, (Nero, Adobe products, Performance Test to name just a few). That behavior is instantly recognized when you try to install them again or higher version. I agree with Snapp that they are spyware since they stay and monitor things on MY computer, When I get rid of a program for whatever reason, that means I do not want them in any shape or way, and no part of them.
    Could you imagine a postman bringing you a letter and than stays to live with you or at least leaves his kid ?
    As "defamation suit " goes, companies that their software leaves parts of, should be sued for trespassing on our computers because uninstalling their software is clear sign that we do not want them on our property (and my computer is my property ) in any shape or form.
    Having an utility to completely remove their products on some obscure place, somewhere, is no excuse at all. If they meant to do right thing, they should provide that program with the installation files if they are unable to write program so it would uninstall cleanly. If they don't do that, it's indication that they are intentionally leaving traces and to me, that means unwanted software with malicious intentions and that can be construed as mallware, pure and simple.
    Last edited by CountMike; 22 Jan 2014 at 07:40.
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  7. #37


    Toronto, Canada. Born in the U.K.
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    Win 10 Pro + Win 7 Ult SP1 (x64)


    ..and you can prove that they monitor? For that they would have to be constantly connecting with home base to check the database.....that might be spyware. Bits and pieces left behind doing nothing is not spyware, it's crap. Even if something does monitor, if it is doing it purely for sales purposes than it still isn't spyware, as you probably agreed to it doing just that in the terms of service you never read when installing it in the first place.

    Spyware is something that actively scans all your machine for private information and forwards it to websites for malicious purposes. Accusing a reputable company of doing just that could land you in hot water.

    In any case this is the sort of argument that never finds an ending, so at this point I will bow out. Good luck.
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  8. #38


    Toronto, Canada. Born in the U.K.
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    Win 10 Pro + Win 7 Ult SP1 (x64)


    I came across this which might help some folks: (Always use the standard removal method via Control Panel first)

    AVAST! Removal Tool
    - http://www.avast.com/eng/avast-uninstall-utility.html

    AVG Free Antivirus Removal Tool

    -http://www.avg.com/ww-en/utilities

    Avira' Antivir Registry Cleaner Tool
    - http://www.avira.com/en/support/antivir_removal_tool.html

    BitDefender Antivirus Removal Tool
    :
    Download the http://www.bitdefender.com/uninstall

    First right-click on the red BitDefender icon near the system tray choose on Exit.

    Wait a few seconds. Afterwards double-click on the BitDefender uninstall tool.

    You will need to reboot your computer for the changes to take effect.

    BullGuard Antivirus Removal Tool

    - Should the automatic uninstallation of BullGuard fail, you can use the special uninstallation tool - http://www.bullguard.com/support/product-guides/bullguard-internet-security-guid es/uninstall/4x.aspx

    Comodo AntiVirus Removal Tool

    - Manual Steps to uninstall Comodo AntiVirus - http://forums.comodo.com/comodo_antiviruspyware_cavs/manual_steps_to_uninstall_c omodo_antivirus-t887.0.html

    ESET Antivirus Removal Tool
    http://training.eset.com/kb/index.php?option=com_kb&Itemid=29&page=articles&arti cleid=93

    Kaspersky Anti-virus Removal Tool
    : ID Article: 1464 - http://support.kaspersky.com/faq/?qid=208279463

    McAfee Consumer Products Removal Tool - Use on McAfee, AOL distributions of McAfee, CA distributions of McAfee etc. (except Anti-Theft - contact Technical Support) -
    http://download.mcafee.com/products/...tches/MCPR.exe

    Microsoft OneCare Uninstall Cleanup Tool
    (All versions; XP & Vista) - http://download.microsoft.com/download/4/c/b/4cb845e7-1076-437b-852a-7842a8ab13c 8/OneCareCleanUp.exe

    Norton/Symantec Removal Tool
    https://support.norton.com/sp/en/us/home/current/solutions/kb20080710133834EN_En dUserProfile_en_us

    Panda Antivirus Uninstall Tool
    http://resources.downloads.pandasecurity.com/sop/UNINSTALLER.exe:

    PC Tools Antivirus Removal Tool

    - http://www.pctools.com/forum/showpost.php?p=186034&postcount=10/

    TrendMicro Antivirus Removal Tool
    - http://esupport.trendmicro.com/support/viewxml.do?ContentID=EN-1036064&id=EN-103 6064/
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  9. #39


    Quote Originally Posted by Ex_Brit View Post
    ..and you can prove that they monitor? For that they would have to be constantly connecting with home base to check the database.....that might be spyware. Bits and pieces left behind doing nothing is not spyware, it's crap. Even if something does monitor, if it is doing it purely for sales purposes than it still isn't spyware, as you probably agreed to it doing just that in the terms of service you never read when installing it in the first place.

    Spyware is something that actively scans all your machine for private information and forwards it to websites for malicious purposes. Accusing a reputable company of doing just that could land you in hot water.
    NO, it does not have to scan everything (one part is enough) and it does not have to send anything anywhere, it's enough to monitor something for it's own purposes but not for the benefit of the user. Keyloggers are an example of spyware that do not necessarily send data anywhere but can be accessed by appropriate program at later time.
    The point of all of this is: "I do not want anything on my property that I did not authorize to be there" Everything that does not adhere to that premiss is unwanted and therefore mallware no matter what it's makers intentions are.
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  10. #40


    Toronto, Canada. Born in the U.K.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CountMike View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Ex_Brit View Post
    ..and you can prove that they monitor? For that they would have to be constantly connecting with home base to check the database.....that might be spyware. Bits and pieces left behind doing nothing is not spyware, it's crap. Even if something does monitor, if it is doing it purely for sales purposes than it still isn't spyware, as you probably agreed to it doing just that in the terms of service you never read when installing it in the first place.

    Spyware is something that actively scans all your machine for private information and forwards it to websites for malicious purposes. Accusing a reputable company of doing just that could land you in hot water.
    NO, it does not have to scan everything (one part is enough) and it does not have to send anything anywhere, it's enough to monitor something for it's own purposes but not for the benefit of the user. Keyloggers are an example of spyware that do not necessarily send data anywhere but can be accessed by appropriate program at later time.
    The point of all of this is: "I do not want anything on my property that I did not authorize to be there" Everything that does not adhere to that premiss is unwanted and therefore mallware no matter what it's makers intentions are.
    We'll just have to beg to differ on this, sorry, as I have other duties to attend to. You most likely agreed to whatever it's purportedly doing when you installed it anyway....most people don't read those terms and I'm just as bad as most for that I must admit.
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