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antivirus compatible problem

  1. #1


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    antivirus compatible problem


    i am new and my first post
    I have been recently using windows 8.1 but I am quite upset with this version of windows. because I have tried most of the top rated internet security for the installation but most of them are incompatible with win 8.1. so what is the matter despite of being upgraded and rectified version it is not taking antivirus which is most essential for the windows ? so please suggest what to do or what are some compatible versions of antivirus


    thanks

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    This is the thing. Apple and Unix/Linux forced Windows to bring Anti-Virus in-house. (That's my opinion anyway. And quite possibly the NSA, since products like Kaspersky have dominated over products like Norton/McAfee.)

    Windows provides “Windows Defender”. Enable that. Update and run a full scan. Now you have a very good anti-virus software installed.

    Many people get a “second opinion”. Malwarebytes is perhaps the leader. Install the app, but do not check the “Free Trial Pro” option [un-check that], and then just run full scans periodically. Better yet, pony up the $23 or whatever and run that app full-time as well. The two are completely compatible together.

    That combo is probably the “standard” if there is one.

    If you have clients (doctor, lawyer, etc.), or work with something that needs extra-super-duper protection that justifies paranoia, purchase 2014 Kaspersky Internet Security – which I feel is the best there is.

    Don't try to install older anti-virus software you have.


    (All personal opinion – mileage may vary)
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  3. #3


    Posts : 328
    Windows 8.1 (x64)


    I agree, use windows defender. No need for any 3rd party solution.

    I you really are paranoid then :
    * use your PC under a limited user account. Control Panel / User Accounts / Create a new Account (standard)
    * use a sandboxed browser (Chrome, IE10+, or Sandboxie + FireFox or any old browser)
    * extend windows firewall to block all outbound programs, instead of its allowed by default setting.
    * find the hash of any new program you want to install and send it to VirusTotal (it will report any previous scan with 30+ anti-virus based on the hash)
    * Uninstall any programs you don't use. Disable plugins that you don't use. This is especially true for Java, uninstall it if you don't need it. This makes you less prone to exploit attacks. Disable Javascript in your browser by default or use a plugin to do that automatically (noscript on firefox, there is an equivalent in chrome too).
    * Use alternative programs (for example use the reader app or sumatrapdf instead of acrobat reader) to open common files.
    * install and use EMET (protects against exploits)
    * use AppLocker or Software Restriction Policy to block any program unauthorized from running
    * use a disk imaging solution (such as Macrium Reflect Free) and save them on an external drive/usb stick before any change to your system
    * sandbox or virtualize any new program which you are suspicious about

    All of this if free and will give you much better security than any 3rd party AV.

    Links if you need help setting up any of this :
    Sandboxie - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    How to make a disallowed-by-default Software Restriction Policy
    AppLocker Documentation for Windows 7 and Windows Server 2008 R2
    AppLocker ? Application Security, Install, Windows 7 | TechNet
    Firewall recommandations
    Virus Total
    Macrium Reflect FREE Edition - Information and download
    Application virtualization - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Microsoft EMET v4 review & extensive tutorial
    NoScript - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Last edited by oneeyed; 30 Nov 2013 at 18:27.
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    Windows 8.1.1 Pro with Media Center
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    @oneeyed
    Funny – I was about to post a detailed list, for people to vet.

    Now you're going to think I copied you... : )
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    Posts : 328
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    Haha, feel free to make such a list, maybe there will be newtricks/tips I haven't heard about.

    Honestly I've never liked running AV and find 3rd party ones cumbersome : cpu intensive, incompatbilities with other programs or even windows updates as is the case here, etc... All of that for IMHO little benefit. Defender is nice because of its low footprint so now I use it but I feel I could get rid of it too with the right set up.

    Some solutions allow you to completely bypass AVs such as frequent disk imaging (great solution, who cares about viruses when you can get a clean OS in minutes ?) or virtualization/sandboxing (malicious software are restricted and can't change your system), for much less hassle than all those AV suites.

    My own setup mixes a bit of everything : SRP (by manual registry change on my non-pro windows 8), sandboxing of internet facing apps (I'm using ICACLS instead of sandboxie, but the principle is the same), imaging when doing major changes (ex:update to 8.1).
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    Posts : 6
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    Quote Originally Posted by oneeyed View Post
    Haha, feel free to make such a list, maybe there will be newtricks/tips I haven't heard about.

    Honestly I've never liked running AV and find 3rd party ones cumbersome : cpu intensive, incompatbilities with other programs or even windows updates as is the case here, etc... All of that for IMHO little benefit. Defender is nice because of its low footprint so now I use it but I feel I could get rid of it too with the right set up.

    Some solutions allow you to completely bypass AVs such as frequent disk imaging (great solution, who cares about viruses when you can get a clean OS in minutes ?) or virtualization/sandboxing (malicious software are restricted and can't change your system), for much less hassle than all those AV suites.

    My own setup mixes a bit of everything : SRP (by manual registry change on my non-pro windows 8), sandboxing of internet facing apps (I'm using ICACLS instead of sandboxie, but the principle is the same), imaging when doing major changes (ex:update to 8.1).
    but is windows defender a internet security? you are right upto antivirus but how to be safe from internet security problems....so help me
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    Quote Originally Posted by David Bailey View Post
    does this work as an internet security? how to be safe from internet security?
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    Quote Originally Posted by devisfalls View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by oneeyed View Post
    Haha, feel free to make such a list, maybe there will be newtricks/tips I haven't heard about.

    Honestly I've never liked running AV and find 3rd party ones cumbersome : cpu intensive, incompatbilities with other programs or even windows updates as is the case here, etc... All of that for IMHO little benefit. Defender is nice because of its low footprint so now I use it but I feel I could get rid of it too with the right set up.

    Some solutions allow you to completely bypass AVs such as frequent disk imaging (great solution, who cares about viruses when you can get a clean OS in minutes ?) or virtualization/sandboxing (malicious software are restricted and can't change your system), for much less hassle than all those AV suites.

    My own setup mixes a bit of everything : SRP (by manual registry change on my non-pro windows 8), sandboxing of internet facing apps (I'm using ICACLS instead of sandboxie, but the principle is the same), imaging when doing major changes (ex:update to 8.1).
    but is windows defender a internet security? you are right upto antivirus but how to be safe from internet security problems....so help me
    The best "internet security" is you and your browsing habits
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    Quote Originally Posted by garydexter View Post
    The best "internet security" is you and your browsing habits
    Definitely not. Ever heard of XSS exploits ? Check this for more information : Cross-site scripting - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia and XSS worm - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    And check this for known and trusted sites still vulnerable : XSSed | Cross Site Scripting (XSS) attacks information and archive (including Ebay, McAfee, Symantec, etc...).
    Large websites like Twitter, Facebook, MySpace have all been exploited this way. Just by browsing, you can get a virus payloador have personal information stolen. Disabling javascript is a good protection but who does ? (only 2% of people browsing have JS off).

    And XSS isn't the only thing to be wary about.

    Here is an very old article from Ken Thompson, one of the pioneers of computer science (worked at bell labs mainly and now for google) in the 60's-70's : ACM Classic: Reflections on Trusting Trust (Great read, recommended)
    To cut it short he explains that any decent programmer can create a self-reproducing program, which has a huge security impact : even when the code is checked by third parties and appear totally safe, it produce malicous code only after execution. This was decades ago... Can you imagine what's possible today especially when most current applications involve a LOT of programmers and/or 3rd party contractors ?
    The moral is obvious. You can't trust code that you did not totally create yourself. (Especially code from companies that employ people like me.) No amount of source-level verification or scrutiny will protect you from using untrusted code.
    This guy works for Google. Who here uses Chrome ? Or any Google App for that matter ? :P
    Last edited by oneeyed; 05 Dec 2013 at 01:36.
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