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Disable UAC But Still Use Windows Apps?

  1. #11


    More often than not, uac complaints are out of principal. I rarely see a uac prompt. As far as file permissions go, where are you trying to save files to? We had a few complaints at work on this, and it just boiled down to force of habit, versus having to put a file somewhere. Security forces ms to do stuff like this. They need a secure system, they are judged against others. And without a doubt, we are safer out of the box today than we were years ago when everybody ran as admin on XP.

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  2. #12


    Posts : 108
    Windows 8 Pro 64bit


    Quote Originally Posted by pparks1 View Post
    More often than not, uac complaints are out of principal. I rarely see a uac prompt. As far as file permissions go, where are you trying to save files to? We had a few complaints at work on this, and it just boiled down to force of habit, versus having to put a file somewhere. Security forces ms to do stuff like this. They need a secure system, they are judged against others. And without a doubt, we are safer out of the box today than we were years ago when everybody ran as admin on XP.
    I can't really remember what I was trying to copy but it was something from my downloads folder into another folder, it wasn't windows or any other "protected" folder. Eventually I just set permissions to allow the files to be copied, but I really didn't want to have to do that every-time I copied something and so disabled UAC again. I will probably look at workarounds for that issue and re-enable UAC again but just wondered if I could have my cake and eat it hence the thread.
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  3. #13


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    64-bit Windows 10


    Quote Originally Posted by milw0rm View Post
    ......On another note when I did enable UAC on it's most lowest settings I didn't get many prompts, I don't mind them so much it's the permissions issue I find very annoying. I was having problems just copying some files to another location on my hard-drive, I kept getting the "access denied" message. Is there any way around this?, then I may consider enabling UAC again.

    -cheers
    If you like, you could use the tutorial below to add "Take Ownership" to the context menu. It will help make it easier to take ownership and grant permission for your account.

    Take Ownership - Add to Context Menu in Windows 8
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  4. #14


    Posts : 108
    Windows 8 Pro 64bit


    Quote Originally Posted by Brink View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by milw0rm View Post
    ......On another note when I did enable UAC on it's most lowest settings I didn't get many prompts, I don't mind them so much it's the permissions issue I find very annoying. I was having problems just copying some files to another location on my hard-drive, I kept getting the "access denied" message. Is there any way around this?, then I may consider enabling UAC again.

    -cheers
    If you like, you could use the tutorial below to add "Take Ownership" to the context menu. It will help make it easier to take ownership and grant permission for your account.

    Take Ownership - Add to Context Menu in Windows 8
    Thanks Brink, seems that I have found a good balance now with the aid of that file. Here's what I did:

    1. Enable UAC via a tool called TweakUAC which has a "silent" UAC mode.
    2. Run that reg file.
    3. Took full permissions on my C: drive.

    So far everything seems to be working ok and I can run the store apps. I can also copy files between folders without any problems.

    -cheers
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  5. #15


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    64-bit Windows 10


    You're welcome. That's great news.
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  6. #16


    Posts : 1
    Windows 8

    UAC complaints


    Quote Originally Posted by pparks1 View Post
    More often than not, uac complaints are out of principal. I rarely see a uac prompt. As far as file permissions go, where are you trying to save files to? We had a few complaints at work on this, and it just boiled down to force of habit, versus having to put a file somewhere. Security forces ms to do stuff like this. They need a secure system, they are judged against others. And without a doubt, we are safer out of the box today than we were years ago when everybody ran as admin on XP.
    My company is moving to windows 8. We also use Sophos Endpoint Protection. My complaint is that since deploying Sophos requires UAC to be off, our users can't use any built in apps. Hence my reason for wanting a workaround. I have refused Windows 8 personally, but now with most of my users on it, I won't have a choice. I also have always turned off UAC since its introduction.
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  7. #17


    Posts : 3
    Windows 8.1


    I personally have never liked UAC. I find it too restrictive, almost Mac-like. Unfortunately, Microsoft has an annoying habit of shoving protection down the throats of users who genuinely know better. My personal opinion is that a system administrator should be the Windows equivalent of a sudoer, no exceptions. If they're prone to installing malware and viruses, they probably shouldn't be the system administrator.

    My main motivation for disabling UAC is to allow the use of programs such as Microsoft Flight Simulator X which frequently write to otherwise-protected system files and are therefore wholly incompatible with UAC.
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  8. #18


    The UAC is another level of protection. If you turn it off, you don't know what might be trying to run in the background. At least this way, if something tries to run, you can see that & if it's something you have no idea about, you can investigate it before it gets a chance to run.
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  9. #19


    Posts : 1
    Windows 10


    UAC actually bricked my OS when I re-installed 10 after upgrading from 7 (lots of crud made the system too slow upon upgrade). I also got the read only error, and could not remove the setting even though it was associated with files on completely separate hard drives to that of windows, nne of which were ever set as read only by me; all I wanted to do was re-file things from one drive to another and tidy up my filing system, but UAC deems that dangerous apparently so it added an irremovable read-only setting to everything. The take ownership reg-edit wouldn't work for some reason. I tried taking ownership the win 7 and XP way in safe mode and it all went completely tits up after that. Even the command prompt commands to remove settings from entire contents of directories wouldn't work, and it just got worse and worse the more I tired to fix it. All because I tried to work with UAC (it was on one of the lower settings)! By the end I was locked out cmd, msconfig, even updating my antivirus was impossible; this is not added protection!

    I ended up having to install win 10 for the third time, disabled UAC the moment I had antivirus and malware protection up to date and ran every installation as admin and elevated the .exe. as well. So far only the odd problem here and there which is always to do with Windows not anything else. Programs will stop working after updates which is why I moved to bot revolt - it's pretty much identical to peer blocker except a paid version is available and PB is no longer supported and will repeatedly break on win 10 (I've had to re-install it 3 times in 3 months, I gave up eventually!), with one of those large lists too add a bit more protection. Also internet explorer will still work but Edge won't with no UAC, you just have to dig out the shortcut - but then they're both pants anyway so who cares!

    So far installing and running everything as admin, including games, I've even got old games like Vampire Masquerade to run too on steam, I would prefer to work with UAC but alas, it keeps giving me reasons to hate it.

    It does seem daft that no apps will work without it though, I didn't think I'd use them anyway but why hard code the UAC in to the apps themselves? Or do they rely on something useful that UAC does? Cos so far it's just given me headaches.
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  10. #20


    Actually the apps know nothing of UAC and neither does the Windows system that runs them. The issue is that apps, by design, will not run under an elevated Admin level account. Disabling UAC is simply the means of achieving that full time elevated account. For the same reason apps will not run with the built in Administrator account. Apps were designed to be secure and not running under an elevated account is a big part of it.

    Do not rely on your AV product to protect you from infections. Malware is designed with the goal of evading even the best AV products with the latest updates, and they often succeed. UAC in itself will not protect you from malware. It is another layer of protection, another hurdle that malware must overcome before it can do it's work. It is war between malware and the products that fight it. Most experts agree that malware is winning, and it is only expected to get worse in the future. In this war you need all the advantages you can get.

    Security (in anything) always has it's price and that price is often paid in loss of convenience
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