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AvG Or Avast ? Free?

  1. #11


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    I am not at all sure windows defender is the best long term option.

    It is good MS include it.

    At least there is some protection out of the box.

    I don't know why that makes people think it must be great.

    MS themselves described it as basic , and even Stevie S said 3rd party solutions are more complete.

    Nothing strange about that - other programs MS include are basic - e.g paint - fine as far as it goes, but if you are serious about it, you will use something else.

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  2. #12


    I agree with Jimbo. The built in Windows Defender does the job, no need to spend $$ on an Antivirus program, like it was in the past with older operating systems.
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  3. #13


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    Why?

    What basis do you have for thinking Defender is better than , or as good as 3rd party solutions?

    None that I know of.

    @Jimbo,

    Those free security programs do nothing except consume resources on your computer
    .
    Avast is lower on resource usage that Defender.

    However Ms usually updates windows defender daily - and as it's part of the windows kernel Ms will be able to update far quicker than the 3rd party vendors
    No, 3rd party programs update much more frequently - typically every 4hrs - Avast does streaming updates.

    BTW also forget any of those magazines listing "comparative values" of security applications or similar -- these results are ALWAYS at least 6 weeks out of date by the time you get to read them
    They can vary somewhat - depending how they are conducted and the precise timing. Nevertheless, I trust PCPro - Defender gave the poorest showing by far. Better than nothing at all, they said - but all the well known 3rd party free programs are much better still.

    Not surprising - it ties in with what MS said all along. It is basic protection out of the box.
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  4. #14


    The last comparison I saw (not recent) had the MSE rated up on a par with other highly rated Antivirus programs such as Kaspersky.

    Most of the "techies" that I know use and recommend MSE (and now Defender). I do PC support and have recommended it to all my clients and most are using the Microsoft product and no one has had any virus problems. I also use and recommend Malwarebytes for malware/spyware.

    I have been in computers since "before PC's" and used McAfee for many years in the DOS and early Windows days. I'm retired but I was the Midwest LAN/WAN Network and Hardware Help Desk Manager for a Federal Government Agency for 23 years. I was also Novell 3.12 CNE.
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  5. #15


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    Quote Originally Posted by SIW2 View Post
    Why?

    What basis do you have for thinking Defender is better than , or as good as 3rd party solutions?

    None that I know of.

    @Jimbo,

    Those free security programs do nothing except consume resources on your computer
    .
    Avast is lower on resource usage that Defender.

    However Ms usually updates windows defender daily - and as it's part of the windows kernel Ms will be able to update far quicker than the 3rd party vendors
    No, 3rd party programs update much more frequently - typically every 4hrs - Avast does streaming updates.

    BTW also forget any of those magazines listing "comparative values" of security applications or similar -- these results are ALWAYS at least 6 weeks out of date by the time you get to read them
    They can vary somewhat - depending how they are conducted and the precise timing. Nevertheless, I trust PCPro - Defender gave the poorest showing by far. Better than nothing at all, they said - but all the well known 3rd party free programs are much better still.

    Not surprising - it ties in with what MS said all along. It is basic protection out of the box.

    It's easy to state that Windows defender is "Fit for purpose" -- if you READ AND UNDERSTOOD my post I said that the Windows security is now implemented IN THE WINDOWS KERNEL ITSELF (a protected part of the OS) - W8 not W7 so any ramblings about security based on W7 are OBSOLETE in this discussion.
    Unlike previous iterations of Windows security was "Bolted on" as an afterthought.

    Now Since third party developers don't have access to Windows source code --certainly not the kernel -- they have to rely on published API's or "Get arounds" to "simulate" or "reverse" engineer what Windows defender actually does already -- and since MS provides constant windows updates it's easy to see that Ms windows security will always be more up to date than the third party suppliers.

    Q.E.D ------ argument proved conclusively --end of.

    As for the resource consumption -- Windows defender is ALREADY integrated into the system -- you can't uninstall it like a norma application program so in essence any other program you add for security is just consuming EXTRA resources.

    You really must READ AND FULLY UNDERSTAND the post you are replying to before making refutations that are obviously incorrect.

    Windows 8 operates DIFFERENTLY to Windows 7 from all sorts of points therefore you can't base you reasoning on what previous versions of Windows did. (This is NOTHING to do whether you like or dislike the new GUI etc etc --but purely on how the system itself is built and how the internal components now react with themselves and outside applications and code whether malicious9Viruses etc) or benign - normal applications.

    Finally comparisons aren't really of any use for these reasons

    1) by the time the list is published its out of date already
    2) End users use their systems probably in totally different ways to the testers so the whole testing mechanism is suspect anyway.

    Finally Chapter and verse please for "Ms says Windows defender is basic security" for W8. From what I read Ms was making stringent efforts to make the Windows OS (W8) as SECURE as it possibly can be. Ms is really putting efforts into this area so I really doubt where you get your information from.

    @ fireberd -- I'm referring to W8 here so MSE doesn't come into it --although excellent for W7 the whole mechanism is different in W8.

    Cheers
    jimbo
    Last edited by jimbo45; 18 Nov 2012 at 03:54.
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  6. #16


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    I switched to Avast free . Microsoft security software defender is a little heavy, more memory consuming and makes my pc less responsive. I experienced it especially on folder and file operations . So I turned defender and smartscreen off and installed avast free. I am happy with the result. Avast has more features and less dependent and now is windows 8 compatible avast! Free Antivirus | Download Antivirus Protection Software

    I usually like microsoft operating systems but not microsoft security softwares. Often I replace microsoft software with free and trustable third party softwares. For example , I don't use microsoft image viewers . Instead I install and use irfanview software.
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  7. #17


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    Quote Originally Posted by ecevit View Post
    I switched to Avast free . Microsoft security software defender is a little heavy, more memory consuming and makes my pc less responsive.
    Your PC is not responsive because it is 4 generation OLD. Defender ( or even MSE) heavy, do you have something to support it ? because it's not what I can feel from my own experience.
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  8. #18


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    Not because it is old . It may be old compared to new cpus but you don't get what I mean by saying less responsive. I don't mean it is very slow. My pc is still fast enough to do any tasks. I don't see any need to upgrade it. I see a difference between defender and avast in my pc. Do I have to prove it ? No. I just say what I experienced.
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  9. #19


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    But I experience differently, in hundreds of PCs that I install anti-virus, so it's why I ask if you have something to support it.
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  10. #20


    Everyone has their favorite, for whatever reason. I'll stick with MSE/Defender as its worked for me, my clients and all my techie friends.
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