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Will apps make or break windows 8?

  1. #21


    Quote Originally Posted by Vertex View Post
    Nope, not for me who uses a mouse. I don't use a touchscreen. Plus a close button is more obvious and there would be no harm if there is a close button and window controls too.
    That was sarcasm

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  2. #22


    Quote Originally Posted by thatmanbrian View Post
    I still haven't heard a reason why you'd WANT to close a Metro app?
    Because I want to.
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  3. #23


    Hafnarfjörður IS
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    Hi there
    what's the problem of CLOSING a Metro app

    All you have to do is point your mouse (I'm not using touch screens) at the TOP LEFT hand edge of the screen when you are in the Metro app. You'll see a little image of the desktop app -- click on that to get back to the desktop. Again point mouse to the TOP LEFT hand edge again and you'll see a little image of the Metro app. Right mouse click on it and select close.

    Q.E.D. !!!!

    Most of the complaints about Metro (other thgan the "De-Uglification" process are made by people who seemingly haven't understood the Navigation system. Just think of the Corners of the screen as "The 4 Horsemen of the Apocolypse". !! moving the mouse to any of these corners whether in the desktop or not and "All shall be revealed".

    Most stuff is quite accessible -- For example I have No probs accessing control panel via the Charms setting ==>settings and choosing the top entry -- much more logical than having to grab this from a "Classical Start" menu with loads of Non system type applications on it.

    (Whoever dreamt up that ridiculous name "Charms" BTW ??). They must have been smoking that funny smelling tobacco available in Amsterdam's famous "Coffee Shops") .

    Cheers
    jimbo


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  4. #24


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    Or, even simpler, just press Alt-F4, and hey presto, App is gone. Damn, now I've said that, MS will probably go and disable the Alt-F4 shortcut, just to prevent me even *wanting* to close an App.
    BTW, one good reason for closing them is that it reduces clutter in the Alt-Tab list. I use that all the time to switch between open programmes (including Apps), and the more redundant ones are open, the more I have to keep tabbing through the list to get to the one I want.
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  5. #25


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    Quote Originally Posted by thatmanbrian View Post
    Sorry, I don't mean to wind you up Vertex, but there is no "of course" about it! When you finish with a Metro app and move on to something else, Win 8 takes care of things. I always have several applications (not apps) running all day such as photoshop, lightroom, thunderbird email, several browser windows, several desktop explorer windows.... If your PC is capable of running Win 8 it is by definition capable of working with Win 8's handling of apps. So I am genuinely surprised by why you'd worry so much about a new method of working that Microsoft have presumably designed deliberately. That's all.
    I am just not that comfortable with those apps being self-terminated when idle, I want them to be closed immediately right there, whenever I want it, without waiting for a few minutes. I know you can do this with dragging the Metro app towards the bottom but a decent close button would be more obvious and takes less effort with one click than dragging towards the bottom. A close button and even a minimize button that would minimize apps to the side panel would pose no harm right? And at least it would present some familiarity with those of us used to working with normal windows with the window controls (close, minimize and maximize) especially with those who are less computer literate. If not having window controls was for the sake of "change" or "reimagining" as M$ would like to put it, I honestly don't think it was step forward.

    Little does M$ realize that putting window controls on the top right corner of their Metro apps gives those Metro apps a usability and navigation advantage over apps of Androids or iPads because its so much more obvious on how to switch in between and close apps. I suggest you read this article:

    Windows 8 Metro Apps Need Close Buttons Too - Softpedia
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  6. #26


    Hafnarfjörður IS
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    Hi vertex
    didn't you read at least 2 Posts on saying how to close Metro apps -- you DON'T have to drag them anywhere --- and it's no different in fact to performing the close or exit function from a normal application such as Photoshop.

    As for difficulty in adjusting -- took me about 10 mins -- and I'm not YOUNG any more.

    No Dragging / dropping required

    and in fact it's actually MORE efficient than say having several Windows (normal) applications running and just having them minimized as they are totally swapped out when not being used. This is one reason that W8 can perform SIGNIFICANTLY better than W7 when you use something like an SSD as swapping the app in will take almost no time at all.

    The Metro idea can use system resources MUCH MORE EFFICIENTLY.

    Before quoting stuff available all over the Net have a quick read of how basic Operating systems work --in particular how the Task Manager and Dispatcher functions operate -- the basic principles are followed by most OS'es.

    I wouldn't rely on getting my info from places such as Softpaedia -- they aren't set up as educational establishments --downloading Software from them is another matter -- that's quite OK.

    Where I *could* possibly agree is that as it's laid out at the moment it is either difficult or impossible to run Metro Apps in anything other than full screen mode - which makes using multi-monitors with "extendable desktops" not very possible or the possibility (often wanted in commercial world) of running appplications so you can compare for example two or 3 web sites, excel spread sheets or just display a set of different documents side by side say a PDF, a Word and a Powerpoint document. (Ms office apps can of course currently -- but when these apps appear in Metro Mode will it be possible then -- WITHOUT USING THE DESKTOP) !!.



    Cheers
    jimbo
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  7. #27


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    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
    Hi vertex
    didn't you read at least 2 Posts on saying how to close Metro apps -- you DON'T have to drag them anywhere --- and it's no different in fact to performing the close or exit function from a normal application such as Photoshop.

    As for difficulty in adjusting -- took me about 10 mins -- and I'm not YOUNG any more.

    No Dragging / dropping required

    and in fact it's actually MORE efficient than say having several Windows (normal) applications running and just having them minimized as they are totally swapped out when not being used. This is one reason that W8 can perform SIGNIFICANTLY better than W7 when you use something like an SSD as swapping the app in will take almost no time at all.

    The Metro idea can use system resources MUCH MORE EFFICIENTLY.

    Before quoting stuff available all over the Net have a quick read of how basic Operating systems work --in particular how the Task Manager and Dispatcher functions operate -- the basic principles are followed by most OS'es.

    I wouldn't rely on getting my info from places such as Softpaedia -- they aren't set up as educational establishments --downloading Software from them is another matter -- that's quite OK.

    Where I *could* possibly agree is that as it's laid out at the moment it is either difficult or impossible to run Metro Apps in anything other than full screen mode - which makes using multi-monitors with "extendable desktops" not very possible or the possibility (often wanted in commercial world) of running appplications so you can compare for example two or 3 web sites, excel spread sheets or just display a set of different documents side by side say a PDF, a Word and a Powerpoint document. (Ms office apps can of course currently -- but when these apps appear in Metro Mode will it be possible then -- WITHOUT USING THE DESKTOP) !!.



    Cheers
    jimbo
    Have you even read my last post carefully, or did you just skipped to where I put that link? True, Windows 8 does use resources more efficiently than Windows 7 but I'm focusing on the navigation aspect here. Metro apps are more resource friendly cause they self terminate when idle but the ones right now are not better than traditional apps that can be resized and can do much more as it stands now. Metro apps could still be suspended when idle but what harm does having a close button and window controls on these Metro apps do as I suggested? In fact, I am not the only one to believe that Metro apps do need a close button and window controls. Its an improvement to the sense that it makes it more obvious for less experienced users to see a way to close or minimize an app. What could be possibly be wrong with that? At least there is more choice. Many users right now are not even that familiar with the Task Manager or the ALT+Tab switcher.

    And another thing I don't like is that some defenders of the Metro like you, seems to insist that the current design of these Metro apps, regardless if they have a close button and window controls are seemingly flawless just because you haven't had a significant difficulty adjusting yourself on the way that works right now. But understand that others (including some power users) simply don't view it that way and just because they don't doesn't mean they are wrong. Same as the Start button that M$ removed on the CP. What harm does leaving the Start button alone on the Taskbar do? In fact nothing, except you got room for 1 more pinned icon on the Taskbar when the Start button is gone. For me, removing it became a burden especially to many less computer literate. M$ just isn't that open minded as it stands now.
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  8. #28


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    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
    All you have to do is point your mouse (I'm not using touch screens) at the TOP LEFT hand edge of the screen when you are in the Metro app. You'll see a little image of the desktop app -- click on that to get back to the desktop. Again point mouse to the TOP LEFT hand edge again and you'll see a little image of the Metro app. Right mouse click on it and select close.
    That is 2 actions instead of one.
    How is that easier than just closing it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Geoffrey View Post
    Or, even simpler, just press Alt-F4, and hey presto, App is gone.
    Alt + F4 is more sensible.

    Quote Originally Posted by Geoffrey View Post
    Damn, now I've said that, MS will probably go and disable the Alt-F4 shortcut, just to prevent me even *wanting* to close an App.
    You're absolutely right.

    "People are re-enabling the "Start Menu. We'd better eliminate the Reg hack."

    "People are shutting down apps. We'd better eliminate Alt + F4."

    "You worthless peasants will use the system the way we want you to use it."

    Quote Originally Posted by Geoffrey View Post
    BTW, one good reason for closing them is that it reduces clutter in the Alt-Tab list. I use that all the time to switch between open programmes (including Apps), and the more redundant ones are open, the more I have to keep tabbing through the list to get to the one I want.
    Indeed.
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  9. #29


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    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
    Hi there
    what's the problem of CLOSING a Metro app

    All you have to do is point your mouse (I'm not using touch screens) at the TOP LEFT hand edge of the screen when you are in the Metro app. You'll see a little image of the desktop app -- click on that to get back to the desktop. Again point mouse to the TOP LEFT hand edge again and you'll see a little image of the Metro app. Right mouse click on it and select close.

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    The problem when you use multi-monitors, is the mouse go on the monitor at left instead, it's hard to catch the top left edge. Windows 8 is really design for other thing that productive desktop environment; you use often the case of company who like to compare documents side by side, the best way to do it is with dual or triple monitors and you can only open all the Metro apps. on the same monitor, big epic fail like many thing in Windows 8 , this is not a polished OS, this is a rush OS they put on the market because of their 850,000 Android a day problems


    Quote Originally Posted by Geoffrey View Post
    ..... Damn, now I've said that, MS will probably go and disable the Alt-F4 shortcut, just to prevent me even *wanting* to close an App.


    No worry in few months after they will realize Windows 8 is a fail, and more and more peoples continue to prefer Android phones, Microsoft will have no choice to listen what their customers request. I hate Android phones, but from what I see it's better than what Microsoft will offer.
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  10. #30


    Quote Originally Posted by lehnerus2000 View Post
    Even on a tablet, it's easier to press on an "X", than it is to drag something off of the screen.
    Tablet user here: I actually disagree about this. The drag to close is responsive and you can do it anywhere along the top of the screen. That means that you can just do one sloppy swipe and not have to do any hunting and pecking. I like it.
    Plus, you use the same movement (Drag down half way and then left or right) to move the app into snap view so you can decide to close an app, then change your mind and do any other productivity stuff, leaving the app in snap. I do this all the time (quite absentmindedly). It's like riding a bicycle after the first day or so.

    For me, the fewer little buttons I have to click, the better.
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