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Macrium Reflect Free installation problem

  1. #11


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    You need to right click on the file (dism.bat) then select Run As Administrator

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  2. #12


    Hafnarfjörður IS
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    Linux Centos 7, W8.1, W7, W2K3 Server W10


    Hi there

    One problem also with Macrium is that it requires the V.S.S (Volume Shadow Service) to be operational -- and if you don't have much HDD space available it will fail.

    That's why I prefer things like Acronis (although paid) which can boot directly from a USB and work without needing ANYTHING running whatsoever -- (apart from the computer of course !!) -- even if the computer has BROKEN or Inoperable HDD's you can still restore to an external HDD which could then be swapped for the broken one to repair your machine.

    While money is an issue for people I think that the relative cheap costs of decent commercial backup products are well worth the price -- especially if you think what the cost of retrieving your Music / Video / photo libraries are or even restoring important scanned documents like Tax returns etc.

    (I'd hate to re-rip 3,000 CD's again -- even if I had them all, plus re-tag loads of music and download again -- no thanks -- a 45 USD decent backup / restore program worth it for me EVERY TIME. I'd avoid all those that rely on using the VSS).

    If you really want FREE though -- learn a little bit of Linux, download a bootable LIVE CD (on a USB !!) and use the DD command for backup / restore -- although complex it will copy and restore byte for byte everything that's on an HDD whatever the partition type -- use carefully though as it's quite a complex command.

    Cheers
    jimbo
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  3. #13


    Germany/Florida
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    Vista and Win7


    One way around the VSS problem is to run the Macrium imaging from the recovery CD. VSS is only needed to 'freeze' the initial image so that you can continue working on the PC whilst the image is being recorded. But if you run from the CD, that case does not exist.

    I wonder how Acronis does that because if you want to continue using the PC whilst the image is written, they must use some scheme to lock down the image.
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  4. #14


    Greece
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    Win8.1 64bit, Windows 10 TP on VMWare Player


    Quote Originally Posted by topgundcp View Post
    You need to right click on the file (dism.bat) then select Run As Administrator
    Realised this after watching messages scrolling on my screen for a while. I (foolishly) thought that being logged into an admin account would mean I was running things as an admin anyway. Oh well, always something new to learn.
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  5. #15


    Hafnarfjörður IS
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    Linux Centos 7, W8.1, W7, W2K3 Server W10


    Quote Originally Posted by whs View Post
    One way around the VSS problem is to run the Macrium imaging from the recovery CD. VSS is only needed to 'freeze' the initial image so that you can continue working on the PC whilst the image is being recorded. But if you run from the CD, that case does not exist.

    I wonder how Acronis does that because if you want to continue using the PC whilst the image is written, they must use some scheme to lock down the image.
    Hi there

    I'm not sure I would want to image a running system - I would do it from a bootable program - but I believe Acronis holds some sort of Cache where changes to files are held and then does a final update at the end of the process -- but in any case I don't think it's good practice to work on a system you are currently backing up -- a backup these days shouldn't take more than 30 Mins for the OS - and if you want data archives just run overnight.

    I don't know how Acronis works but I'm sure it doesn't use VSS though even when running under Windows.

    Cheers
    jimbo
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  6. #16


    Germany/Florida
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    Vista and Win7


    There is nothing wrong to work with a system that is currently writing an image - at least not with Macrium. I have done that for years amd mothing bad ever happened.

    The length of time it takes depends on the speed of the drives involved and the size of the data in the partition. For imaging C I have seen anything from 5 minutes (from SSD to SSHD on eSata) to 30 minutes from SSD to a slow external disk on USB2.
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  7. #17


    Greece
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    Win8.1 64bit, Windows 10 TP on VMWare Player


    Quote Originally Posted by whs View Post
    If you cannot get this installation problem fixed (unfortunately I have no clue what could have happened), I suggest you use the recovery CD for imaging (and of course recovery).

    You can download the recovery .iso from my OneDrive and burn that to CD. It works the same as the installed Macrium. Only small difference is that you cannot store the XML files and have to define the partition(s) you want to image and the repository for the image each time.
    Thank you for this suggestion. So does this mean that I can create a System Image through a Macrium Recovery CD (which I already have) rather than installing and running the program from the laptop?

    And the 'small' differences you mention above are not something I understand. Does the System Image process help you through defining the partition(s) and what are the implications of not being able to store the XML files?
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  8. #18


    Greece
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    Win8.1 64bit, Windows 10 TP on VMWare Player


    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
    Hi there

    One problem also with Macrium is that it requires the V.S.S (Volume Shadow Service) to be operational -- and if you don't have much HDD space available it will fail.

    That's why I prefer things like Acronis (although paid) which can boot directly from a USB and work without needing ANYTHING running whatsoever -- (apart from the computer of course !!) -- even if the computer has BROKEN or Inoperable HDD's you can still restore to an external HDD which could then be swapped for the broken one to repair your machine.

    While money is an issue for people I think that the relative cheap costs of decent commercial backup products are well worth the price -- especially if you think what the cost of retrieving your Music / Video / photo libraries are or even restoring important scanned documents like Tax returns etc.

    (I'd hate to re-rip 3,000 CD's again -- even if I had them all, plus re-tag loads of music and download again -- no thanks -- a 45 USD decent backup / restore program worth it for me EVERY TIME. I'd avoid all those that rely on using the VSS).

    If you really want FREE though -- learn a little bit of Linux, download a bootable LIVE CD (on a USB !!) and use the DD command for backup / restore -- although complex it will copy and restore byte for byte everything that's on an HDD whatever the partition type -- use carefully though as it's quite a complex command.

    Cheers
    jimbo
    Thank you Jimbo.

    What I actually want is something that is straightforward enough for a non-technically minded person to use. I do try to deal with problems that I encounter but to be honest it isn't too long before I hit the point where I get concerned about 'breaking' things. So your suggestion to use something that is 'quite a complex command' unfortunately doesn't appeal at all!
    I am pretty sure HDD space isn't my issue because there is plenty available.

    But I seem to be in a loop - the pre-update Macrium gave me a VSS error (and VSS was running); the post-update Macrium worked on one laptop but won't open on the other. And my preference is for 1 product that will work on both laptops.

    So maybe I will need to invest in something, though I'm loathe to choose Macrium if I can't get this version to open (and it took a lot of messing around to get it working on the other laptop in the first place).

    The reason I'm spending so much time trying to implement a good back-up strategy using more than one method (Windows plus another) is to avoid the cost of needing to replace a laptop following some sort of failure. Our last 2 HP laptops lasted around 3 and 4 years respectively. The Dell we had previously lasted a good 10 years, so we've put our faith in Dell again (saying a quick prayer!). And living on a fairly tight budget I do like to try popular and recommended free products first where I can.

    But I think it could be a good idea to have something that also lets me restore to another machine, to get around this annoying habit of Microsoft to license the WIndows software just for the life of the machine. So that definitely puts me in the purchasing arena I guess .
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  9. #19


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    So does this mean that I can create a System Image through a Macrium Recovery CD (which I already have) rather than installing and running the program from the laptop?
    Yes, you can use it to create backup and restore for any PC offline ie. boot it up from the CD/USB then select Backup tab. To restore, select the restore tab.
    Does the System Image process help you through defining the partition(s) and what are the implications of not being able to store the XML files?
    When creating a backup, on the final step, you have a choice to create an XML definition file associated with this backup. This file contains information on how you set up the backup such as partitions you selected, the destination folder/HD where you want to store the image, the name of the backup image file... So the next time you want to create a backup, you only need to open it then everything is pre-defined for you. Personally, I don't use it.

    EDIT: Just notice that you have Emisoft Anti Virus installed. Did you turn it off when trying to install Macrium ???
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  10. #20


    Germany/Florida
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    Vista and Win7


    So does this mean that I can create a System Image through a Macrium Recovery CD
    Yes, it is the same thing.

    And the 'small' differences you mention above are not something I understand
    The XML files are used to store your definitions and can be used when you want to make an image with the same definitions (source and target) a second or third time. It is just a convenience - no big deal. The XML files are in the 'Reflect' folder in Documents.

    You use them by highlighting the XML definition you want and then you click on the cog wheel. Then the imaging will start with the source and target from the definition in the XML file. Example:

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