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win8.1-64 bars my old checkbook .exe from installation

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    win8.1-64 bars my old checkbook .exe from installation


    ... and I don't need to upgrade to Quickbooks, et al.
    nor invest all that time into something new - even if it might last forever (= 3 years in MS terms)
    nor LOSE important business data back to 1994 that is used weekly
    as reminders, financial usage, reports, annual IRS, other tax tracking, repairs, warranties, model numbers, et al.

    The "shells" attempted are not working or not worth it

    This seems silly - to be forced to use this software on a XP laptop disconnected from the Internet .....

    Reward - to anyone with something that works & doesn't crash

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    "Run as Administrator". compatibility settings, permissions, did you try all that ? Any newer versions of that program ? Is it maybe 16bit program, trying to run on 64 bit OS ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by CountMike View Post
    "Run as Administrator". compatibility settings, permissions, did you try all that ? Any newer versions of that program ? Is it maybe 16bit program, trying to run on 64 bit OS ?
    Yes, yes but thanks - I should post more details, even though was hoping it was enough information that these problems run on XP just fine.

    Accounting software: Managing Your Money by Andrew Tobias & Kiplinger Financial (graduated from DOS to Windows, then out of business) - never could trick it into loading, even works w/o a formal installation (as this worked fine on the XP laptop - it's really simple code but runs from .exe)

    Time$heet Professional v7 link to Crystal Reports v7 was working fine on win8.1-64, then 7-8 weeks later - POOF no more invoices cooperation as described ... now that's a mystery. I hate to suspect Spybot correcting a "false" registry item, as this has saved me in both XP & 8.1 days past. But I'm suspicious of having to sign into Windows as if they are really a covert Big Brother watching & screwing with me.
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    Rant: so what if we have high investments in 16-bit software? Microsoft has the go screw yourself attitude when designing a 64-bit OS? They can't design a pocket within we can still use these gold mines of information?
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    Quote Originally Posted by BoStone View Post
    Rant: so what if we have high investments in 16-bit software? Microsoft has the go screw yourself attitude when designing a 64-bit OS? They can't design a pocket within we can still use these gold mines of information?
    There's a roundabout way to do that : Windows 8 Tutorials[2]=Virtualization
    Then why not 8bit or 4bit ? There has to be some limit. I'm not aware of any 64bit OS that can run 16bit programs in real time. There are also 32bit Windows 8 to use in such cases where 16bit apps are needed although 32bit OS is a waste on modern machines.
    Or maybe try some of other tricks. Using Windows Virtual PC to run 16-bit applications on 64-bit Windows - Ben Armstrong - Site Home - MSDN Blogs
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    Genius CountMike you really have my hopes up now.
    1. I had SO many defeats & failures, days (winME->winXP transition history) turn into weeks of toil (winXP->win8.1 transition), crashes, etc. that I am "gun shy" now, idiot techs taking over my machine (+all my business like this was replaceable game boy stuff), not wanting any more trouble so .....
    2. May I ask where I might go to get even more step-by-step sure-fire guidance in how to set up Virtualization, then run my programs?
    3. Somewhere I can ask how it works (e.g. reboot back & forth from 8.1 to "XP"), et al.
    4. How to determine from the get-go how many bits MYM.exe is to determine if it's even a possible success, as mentioned it graduated slowly from DOS to XP but pretty sure it was working in Compatibility Mode (since it lost some minor functionality) maybe really only native to winME or to a just prior OS version .... there's NO support nor forums out there, except for DOS that has a troublesome virtual workaround (but I can't revert the files to DOS version)


    Many, many thanks
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    You have some good tutorials on this forum and if you need something special you can ask "WHS" directly, I'm sure he'll help you. I don't dub into that too much. I have Win7 in dual boot and an XP on a small removable HDD. Current system is backed up 100% so even if something goes terribly wrong, I can go back in half an hour.
    For those recommendations up there i just asked Google " How to run 16bit applications in 64bit windows" and got hundreds of hits, so it seams it's not an isolated problem.
    Truth is also that new specialized programs are not as good as older ones. I used to run production in a factory using Timex Sinclair ZX1000 with a perfect program that used to fit in 16 KB memory and since than had not found a comparable program for PC, no matter how many GB it needed to run.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BoStone View Post
    Rant: so what if we have high investments in 16-bit software? Microsoft has the go screw yourself attitude when designing a 64-bit OS? They can't design a pocket within we can still use these gold mines of information?
    Why is MS the bad guy here? Did you ever consider the fact that maybe you didn't do YOUR homework BEFORE moving to a 64-bit OS? If running antiquated software was a requirement for you then you should have stuck with 32-bit and not jumped to 64-bit.

    There are many virtualization software packages out there that will allow you to install and run an older OS on your 64-bit machine but they may require effort on your part to get setup and running. Depending on which version of Win 8.1 you have (Pro?) you may be able to use the included Hyper-V to install Windows XP and run it in a Virtual machine. If you don't have Win 8.1 Pro then you could install VirtualBox or VMWare Player (both free) and setup a VM running XP. The stickler in setting up a VM with XP is that you need to have a copy of Windows XP with a valid product key.
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    Thanks for the help, critics are so rare, glad to know that MS rates so high with you - really? No issues? If you are a professional/licensed, then you WILL have issues with their designs serving you, as they don't seem to ASK (do THEIR research) before forcing that profession into their way of doing things (ease of software design is the higher priority).

    Yes, I have looked at all those cactus bushes and thought it easier to buy Quickbooks, not that I have time to load current data, much less data going back to 1994 to have at fingertips.

    Yes, I did my research - thanks for AssUMeing NOT - my pro software forced me into an OS upgrade (little time for that) so selected the more current 8.1 dog with fleas that the more stable win7, as pros advised, just to buy a little time NOT to have to go through this so soon once more.

    If you feel I've unjustly omitted MS praise - that would be for another forum - not problems, need help MS can't seem to give - right? Well, OK: Time$heet Pro v7 works like a champ w/o even installing it - Quickbooks version looks like the ugly little brother w/no clues; Lotus Suite works like a champ, 1-2-3 makes Excel look impossible to navigate - however OpenOffice may soon become a better lover; Packrat PIM works with only one tiny hiccup of no consequence; Calendar Creator & all its history made it undamaged; many other helpers suffered some minor upgrades, time investments; more?

    Now realize that professionals are NOT sitting all day figuring out new OSs - they are trying to get their businesses back on line, not supposed to be Virtual this/that. The best idea (above) is scary as there is no one to assure me another crash (regardless of Acronis backup/restore) won't steal yet another workday/week in pursuit of a valuable business tool lost.

    So back to answers, do you think someone as stupid as I can figure out CountMikes solution Virtualization for Pro then avoid crashing?
    CountMike: You have XP on a removable HDD ... do you just plug & play it after booting to win 7/8, have to reboot to it, how does this work? I'm thinking my XP on the separate laptop seems so primitive, remote, tiny screen vs. accounting and hate the touch pad but not enough to dig out its mouse. A stupid idea was to connect it via USB wire to the win8.1 desktop but guess it all would blow up



    Quote Originally Posted by strollin View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by BoStone View Post
    Rant: so what if we have high investments in 16-bit software? Microsoft has the go screw yourself attitude when designing a 64-bit OS? They can't design a pocket within we can still use these gold mines of information?
    Why is MS the bad guy here? Did you ever consider the fact that maybe you didn't do YOUR homework BEFORE moving to a 64-bit OS? If running antiquated software was a requirement for you then you should have stuck with 32-bit and not jumped to 64-bit.

    There are many virtualization software packages out there that will allow you to install and run an older OS on your 64-bit machine but they may require effort on your part to get setup and running. Depending on which version of Win 8.1 you have (Pro?) you may be able to use the included Hyper-V to install Windows XP and run it in a Virtual machine. If you don't have Win 8.1 Pro then you could install VirtualBox or VMWare Player (both free) and setup a VM running XP. The stickler in setting up a VM with XP is that you need to have a copy of Windows XP with a valid product key.
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    Well, first of, I have few desktop PCs but my main one gets used the most. I have an small (40GB ) HDD. At first I installed it Together with other 2 inside the case, Install Win XP 32bit on it and when I wanted to boot from it I had to turn on computer. On my computer it's F12 that brings up BIOS menu that has all drives listed. Choose the disk with XP on it and it would boot XP from it. After that it works normally like it should. The other disks are accessible from there too. When I wanted to run another OS, had to restart computer and without touching anything it would boot to default drive on which win8 is installed.
    Drawback is that you have to restart computer every time you want to switch OS but a good part is that you don't have to fight with Virtual Machine with it's own problems like some drivers not working, needing a lot of memory etc. On the other hand, it may take some time to switch from primary OS to VM, so there is not too large difference in OS booting speed. Whatever you install with that XP, it stays there separate from other OS.
    I know that all this can be real bother and time consuming but 16 bit programs are difficult to run on 64bit OS because of different memory addressing, shared files etc. For it to run in 64 bit OS there would have to be some kind of virtualization anyway (binary math is the culprit here). Since all this started long time ago, nobody at that time could envision today's state of art. At one time, IBM boss said that he does not see why would there ever be a need for more then 10 computers in the world. Early eighties Bill Gates is purported to say that nobody will ever need more than 640 MB of memory and that's why DOS was limited to that amount.
    So as you see, there's no chance that anybody can predict the future to that extent to make it all universal. In win 7, there was an attempt to make it more compatible with older staff, so they built in "XP mode" but that never worked too good.
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