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win8.1-64 bars my old checkbook .exe from installation

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    Yes, my wife suffered through bosses that invented their own accounting systems - then uh-oh, the year 2000 messed these geniuses up and complicated her life.

    May I say that it seems having the separate laptop running XP in the same room seems less trouble (no reboot nor switching to Virtual time) IF I am reading ... no live connection of information is possible anyway between a 8.1 software and a XP software. In fact, I'm reading that even Alt-Tab (as we do to go to another window) is NOT possible to flip from win 8.1 to XP on same computer.

    I do agree with your eloquent 2nd paragraph as a professional that is expected to change the laws of physics for clients wanting the moon for a quarter ... I seem to be guilty of that as well but I look at all the piracy and millions in booty and expect more of MS.

    Very generous explanation of the trials mating XP to 8.1 or at least having both worlds serving you ... SIGH ... I was hoping for more and guess others in the business will come up with a fix or two to tap into those millions ... for awhile until the OS changes again.

    Looking back, I think instead of NO temptation to pay monthly/annual fees to MS for new software/support, as is the new piracy thinking .... I would have gladly paid annually for XP support that ends "for others not paying" in April, THEN put only my professional software that demanded an upgraded OS on the new machine. Again running both as I am now but more comfortably in desktop mode. The new/extra screen would have been cheaper than all this new/upgraded software.

    Buddy, you are the greatest - should be PAID as a guru - like the Acronis guys (none better). Somehow send me a Paypal email & I'll honor my reward offer, even though I might be sticking to my pedestrian solution (XP Laptop w/no internet - then eventually move to Quickbooks).

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  2. #12


    Thanks for your kind offer but I'm retired now and besides, what's experience for, if not to share. I have exposure to computers since late 70s by the nature of my job (engineering and maintenance of automatic production machines) so computers from an early stage was a part of my job description.
    So good luck with that stuff you are having problems with. Yes, you can keep that laptop with XP on it, ad an extra, larger screen and also a keyboard and a mouse for more comfortable work. Just keep a good AV on it and if you can limit internet to minimum you should have no trouble even with no official M$ support. Except for service packs I never did any updates to XP and nothing bad happened to it. Keep an eye for other programs you need, who knows what next windows will look like, you'll have to switch to something else sooner than later.
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  3. #13


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    Quote Originally Posted by BoStone View Post
    Thanks for the help, critics are so rare, glad to know that MS rates so high with you - really? No issues? If you are a professional/licensed, then you WILL have issues with their designs serving you, as they don't seem to ASK (do THEIR research) before forcing that profession into their way of doing things (ease of software design is the higher priority).

    ...
    Not sure what it is that you are a professional at, whining? I'm not heaping praise on MS but questioning why you feel that they are at fault? MS didn't force you to move to a 64-bit OS, did they? You stated it was your "Pro" software that forced the upgrade, so it seems the fault lies with them, not MS. Next you will be whining that MS didn't provide you with a driver for your 20 year old printer.

    If you're going to rant, at least point the rant in the right direction. Besides, ranting doesn't help but asking intelligent questions might solve your problem.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BoStone View Post
    ... IF I am reading ... no live connection of information is possible anyway between a 8.1 software and a XP software. In fact, I'm reading that even Alt-Tab (as we do to go to another window) is NOT possible to flip from win 8.1 to XP on same computer. ...
    No live connection (not even sure what you mean by this, one program feeding data to another in real-time?) and not Alt-Tab, but it is certainly possible to run 8.1 and XP at the same time on the same computer and switch back and forth between them. With virtualization there is no rebooting necessary and data can be passed between the 2 OSes via shared folders or via the network.

    Here's a link that will tell you how to create a virtual disk from your existing XP machine that can then be used by virtual software to create a VM with all of your installed software and data intact. Convert & Use Your Physical Machine In VMware, VirtualBox & Virtual PC
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  5. #15


    Ooops, M$ did provide me with drivers for 20 year (or so) HP Laserjet 4L. HP was the one that didn't. Actually, it's almost amazing how much of old stuff works on Win8. And, yes, in some way M$ did force switch to 64bit system (not all of that their fault) but to use all of what new hardware offers ( 64bit processors, over 3.5 GB memory. parallel computing etc) you need 64bit OS. otherwise you'd be throwing good part of performance you payed for away.
    Yes M$ could have made Windows 8 more friendly to older software if they just cut down on unnecessary bloat and instead made it possible to do more with the core system. Don't anybody tell me that all those highly paid (with our money) "brains" couldn't do much better if only just market oriented management would let them. Let just hope that now, when Billy has some say again, things are going to get better.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CountMike View Post
    Ooops, M$ did provide me with drivers for 20 year (or so) HP Laserjet 4L. HP was the one that didn't. Actually, it's almost amazing how much of old stuff works on Win8. And, yes, in some way M$ did force switch to 64bit system (not all of that their fault) but to use all of what new hardware offers ( 64bit processors, over 3.5 GB memory. parallel computing etc) you need 64bit OS. otherwise you'd be throwing good part of performance you payed for away. ...
    MS didn't make the hardware, companies like Intel came out with 64-bit processors forcing MS to build an OS to take advantage of the newer hardware so, by your thinking, it's really Intel's fault. It may have been possible for MS to add support for 16-bit software but what percent of the user base uses software that old? You accuse MS of too much bloat but then propose even more bloat by them adding 16-bit software support.

    For the most part the only advantage one really gets by going to 64-bit is the ability to access more RAM but in reality very few users need more than 3.5GB of RAM anyway. A 16-bit program gets no advantage running on a 64-bit platform.

    I totally agree with your first few sentences. It is amazing how much old stuff still continues to work. The fact that MS provided a driver for your printer while HP didn't shows how much effort MS put into trying to offer back support. The problem is that when someone like BoStone finds that MS didn't provide a driver, they lash out at MS instead of the printer mfr.
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  7. #17


    Well, MS didn't make any HW than but Hw and OS have to go together, hand in hand, there's just no use for one without the other. 8>16>32>64bit was developed to enhance computing and speed up whole system but OS and SW has to follow, otherwise again no advantage. It's not just amount of usable memory that is in question, some 32bit Windows can address much more than 3.5 GB, To have full benefit of 64bit processor you have to use 64bit OS and programs, otherwise it's a waste. Same goes for multicore, if all is not made for that, you don't get it all. There's almost always a way to "hack" something to work even if it was not meant to originally but that's not the point.
    With all those 64bit, multicore systems it's almost standard nowadays to have more than 4GB of memory. With a 4 core processor it is optimal to have 8GB, sure it may run on 1 or 2GB but potential is severely limited.
    !6bit program may not have any advantage running on 64bit or even 32bit system but should run regardless at least like it used to run on 16bit system. Sometimes you have to run particular 16bit program and just because somebody thought that it is not necessary (or not commercial enough) because of small user base, it doesn't mean it should not. Win8 likes a lot of memory and because it keeps a lot of stuff in the memory instead of reading it from disk, it makes it faster and more responsive. If you have to make VM than amount of memory is crucial.
    I agree that MS is not (solely) to blame for lack of drivers for various old or new HW and this time they went even further than before. On the other hand MS hurried to release 8.1 update so not all the HW manufacturers managed to do it in time, (case in hand, AMD with "legacy" drivers for older than 5xxxx video cards and probably many more). nVidia is now dropping support for quite extensive range of older video cards (probably chipsets too) and now some will blame MS for that, unjustly of course.
    Oh, just not to forget that with Win95 came different way to write drivers with part of them that were system wide, were written into system and every time that changes (like DirectX for instance) HW manufacturers have to be notified well in advance and provided with enough data to prepare HW and drivers for it and that part lies with MS or that HW will be unusable. So there's a lot of blame to be shared if it's late or unattainable. It's by nature of it, very complex system, far beyond the need of average user to have to consider or even know about.
    Now about SW makers, some of the programs they released long time ago (like AutoCad for instance ) used to cost thousands of dollars and if you had to by new one every time OS changes users would drop it or fast, but they kept updating all the time with little or no charge. Some on the other hand keep updates and support to very limited level or charge big money in the beginning and then drop it soon after, so you are stuck with large bill to replace it with some other program or make do with old machines and OS. So just a bit of help from MS would be a great PR for them.
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  8. #18


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    Thanks Strollin for the link
    No thanks Strollin for all the defense of MS - a guy as smart as you isn't really missing the point of my problem (shared with MANY others) - you either work for MS (paid/volunteer) or hold a butt load of their stock (although that might be a good idea with their new annual fees coming on line + XP going off line). Your attempt to introduce emotional reactions, personal insults, derailing the focus of topic, wrestling with those offering friendly help does indeed align you with the dark side of MS - the profiteers. Go find another forum topic for your fights, your politics have become a bore and your solutions a loose side car normal users would not trust after being burned by MS.

    If anyone else is reading this that is a normal user, let me make my point crystal clear.
    With all those brains, money, power we are told there's no more Compatibility mode for years of data stored on software - that MS does not support/produce. Even their own Quickbooks offered a Timesheet, then not (data wiped out going forward, even looking back), then Timesheet appears again (finally got it right or at least less time involved servicing it).
    THIS is what high IQ businessmen offer to their clients. Pirates do not.

    Goodbye, Strollin - take your bad days, bad news, insults somewhere else
    from now on, you'll be called MSkissAss
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  9. #19


    Quote Originally Posted by BoStone View Post
    Thanks Strollin for the link
    No thanks Strollin for all the defense of MS - a guy as smart as you isn't really missing the point of my problem (shared with MANY others) - you either work for MS (paid/volunteer) or hold a butt load of their stock (although that might be a good idea with their new annual fees coming on line + XP going off line). Your attempt to introduce emotional reactions, personal insults, derailing the focus of topic, wrestling with those offering friendly help does indeed align you with the dark side of MS - the profiteers. Go find another forum topic for your fights, your politics have become a bore and your solutions a loose side car normal users would not trust after being burned by MS.

    If anyone else is reading this that is a normal user, let me make my point crystal clear.
    With all those brains, money, power we are told there's no more Compatibility mode for years of data stored on software - that MS does not support/produce. Even their own Quickbooks offered a Timesheet, then not (data wiped out going forward, even looking back), then Timesheet appears again (finally got it right or at least less time involved servicing it).
    THIS is what high IQ businessmen offer to their clients. Pirates do not.

    Goodbye, Strollin - take your bad days, bad news, insults somewhere else
    from now on, you'll be called MSkissAss
    A bit harsh on Strollin I think. Some of what he said (as far as I understood) is a very common thinking and a bit uninformed, that's all. I don't know how long he is into computers or what's he doing with them but some of us that had been into them for ages (I started late 70s) have seen all that coming and going all the time. Same stories, same problems wherever you turn. Compatibility problems with HW, and software with each change and not with MS only. Ever wandered why for instance, Linux, did not become most popular and used OS and it's free too ?. From version to version, from a distro to distro, almost nothing could be "mixed and matched", support is on enthusiast level and continuity almost unknown of.
    Sure, MS is a business and a huge one too. It's not abnormal that they are here for money and would do all they think is good for business including pushing stuff for profit. Except, not all the things they do are good even for them. Right now a bit of good PR is sorely needed for them. A bit of compatibility would not bankrupt them for sure, even if they lost a bit on selling new Quicken and what not, knowing that they can be relied on to support what they sell could go long way for people having more confidence in their products.
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    As usual, you are too nice, too forgiving (if that's possible from a religion point of view).
    I write often to effect change, sometimes the critic but not as fun as giving accolades.
    Pirates in my business, as well as MS and other manufacturers need a spotlight on their deeds, else these bullies just get worse ala Hitler.
    What I've discovered is that even my small critic voice with almost NO followers attracts, for lack of a better term, the pirate's critic assassins. Their role is to defeat the accusations, failing that, then wrestle the critics in the mud & off the playing field until no more readers on that thread. Paid or just blind loyal, it matters not. As we've learned from politics, we are supposed to give our vote, money, children, hearts to those that give us 10% of the truth or some version of it - as if the world owed them a living. Shall I go into the many crooks documented we elect? Too tangent.
    In other forums where I might find an "emperor that has no clothes" I get this same dogmatic strolin-esque response. When it comes from moderators, it's more obvious the profiteer's puppet. They have a slight fear that enough public rejection will effect another Netflix reversal that begins anew with more prudent changes.
    Clients DO NOT tolerate such MS behavior when dealing with non monopolies, when they have a CHOICE where to spend their money for best satisfaction.
    As always, your words & wisdom will have an effect on me, aside from interloper, builly-wanta-be strolin.
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