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Apps vs Programs Question

  1. #31


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    How to get rid of the word "NEW" in Start screen apps

    This may not be what you are looking for. It is basically a way to list everything full screen ...
    instead of using a classic start menu.

    Quote Originally Posted by XweAponX View Post
    How did you get the shortcuts you wanted into the "ProgramData>Start Menu" folder, it's a locked folder.

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  2. #32


    OK, after reading and re-reading the articles on this issue, I think I have finally come to a reasonable solution. While it didn't sink in the first time, this article, "The Metro Hater's Guide to Windows 8.1", actually details almost exactly what I want to do. In short summary:

    1. Delete all the Metro Apps, save perhaps the Store, just in case MS forces me to use it to do further upgrades.
    2. Select the Navigation option to boot direct to the Desktop instead of Start
    3. Select the option to show the Apps view when I click (left) the Start button
    4. Select the option to show Desktop Apps first in the Apps view
    5. Arrange the Apps screen by Category
    6. Pin my most used Desktop Apps to the Taskbar (which I already do)
    7. Delete all the icons I have collected on the Desktop ( which was my pre Win8 practice)

    That seems to solve everything except for shutting down. However it appears that can be accomplished in 8.1 using Microsoft's standard intuitive method of Stopping by clicking on the Start button (right clicking this time, so it is not too intuitive!), and selecting the shutdown option.

    I still can't believe Microsoft is determined to make us go though all this goofy stuff just to get the computer work the way it should out of the box!

    In any case thanks for the help in forcing me to think my way through this...
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  3. #33


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    Windows 8.1 Pro


    Hi Ron, read this thread to the end LOL. I'm a confessed metro hater too. I did the fresh install just today of a win 8.1 ISO and it went perfect.......Then I started gutting it mostly because I like lots of free memory and I use 3rd party imaging software and internal windows backups just bloat the system I personally like the classic shell program and turn off the charms crap. Just easier for me too use desktop for everything I need. For one button shutdown I just paste

    C:\WINDOWS\system32\shutdown.exe -s -t 0

    into a shortcut. Substitute -r where the -s is for reboot. i keep mine on the taskbar.
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  4. #34


    Well. I am using the Modern screen as my start menu, which I think was MS's intention. As in the older Windows 7 and earlier start menus, a lot of the items are placed a little deeper in sub menus, in order to avoid clutter. I am sure most users create their own sub menus as a finer requirement- This can lead, in the worse case, to something like four clicks to get to the item, probably seldom used.

    In the modern screen, it is quite easy to limit it to those items that are used on a daily basis. The remainder are one key click away, and all visible in alphabetical order.

    This is my ongoing effort, with 8.1. Obviously it will be modified as time goes by, but isn't that normal.


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    Last edited by davehc; 29 Oct 2013 at 02:14.
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  5. #35


    Quote Originally Posted by davehc View Post
    Well. I am using the Modern screen as my start menu, which I think was MS's intention. As in the older Windows 7 and earlier start menus, a lot of the items are placed a little deeper in sub menus, in order to avoid clutter. I am sure most users create their own sub menus as a finer requirement- This can lead, in the worse case, to something like four clicks to get to the item, probably seldom used.
    I guess my basic problem is that I don't understand the need for both a Start View, and an Apps View. They both basically seem to be the same thing, except the Start View uses large tiles which take up a lot of space, and by default it does not seem to include all software installed. I gather version 8.1 has some ability to reduce the size of the tiles, which I guess would help.

    Are you suggesting that you can create tiles which open a sub menu of further associated applications? I can't see your screenshot well enough to see what is really on there. I guess what I am wondering is what is the advantage of using the Start View over the Apps View. The Apps view seems more functional, and I can't figure out why I need both.
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  6. #36


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ron AKA View Post
    I guess my basic problem is that I don't understand the need for both a Start View, and an Apps View.
    Hope this helps a little, maybe. Since you are asking, and this is why people hate the metro on the desktop.
    The Start Screen is basically a touch device launch pad.
    It is like a touch desktop. Which people believe does not belong on a PC.

    The Apps view is the touch menu. It upsets people because there is no hierarchical submenu structuring. Everything is full screen.

    all apps is the new start menu

    I just like it because it is different than a menu bolted to the bottom left corner.
    ... which we have been using for 18 years.

    Evolving the Start menu - Building Windows 8 - Site Home - MSDN Blogs
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  7. #37


    It maybe a point of view.mdmd.

    I do not see it at all, as you do in your linked thread. In the old text menu, there were several main items, with sub menus and sub sub menus. It started eith the item "Programs, for example. Inside Programs, there were folders such as Accessories and Computer Management. Some could even have further sub menus.

    I wasn't trying to make a point, just showing how I have handled the Modern screen.

    Windows 7::- Click the globe - click Programs - Click Accessories and you finally have another click to open the program you are seeking.
    In mine. I am already in the modern screen. I can click any of my most used programs. If I decide I need to use one of the background progs, a single click of the arrow and all is there.

    I cannot agree that it is only a touchscreen. It is just as suitable as a mouse click and play, as any that have gone before.
    There is no hierarchical hidden sub menu system, all the items are visible. But, if that is too much to look at, they can be further divided into even more groups, which I guess the average user, as always, would quickly become familiar with.
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  8. #38


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    Server 2012 / 8.0


    I cannot agree that it is only a touchscreen. It is just as suitable as a mouse click and play, as any that have gone before
    I agree, don't mean to confront but I never said only. Where have I ever said only touchscreen?
    I like it very much and think it is easier to use than a nested menu.
    It is awesome with a mouse and keyboard, never said anything else.

    My issue is with neatness. I am a neat freak. Therefore, I cannot live with a start screen that has hundreds of tiles. I am sure Coke Robot and Hypsie have a different point of view to mine.
    Not my preference to have to scroll the start screen sideways.

    In 8.1, you can reduce the size of tiles increasing the number available, which is good, but they are nameless unless one puts the mouse pointer on top of a tile to get a pop up title or knows each tile by icon.

    That is why I, of which I am apparently the only one, like to use start screen hot key strokes (or in 8.1, all apps hot key strokes)... to find an alphabetical listing of one of 300 to 400 shortcuts available.

    But still, it is undeniable, that with the MS plan to make all devices similar, i.e. phone, tablet, desktop, it was their intent to design an interface that is usable across different touch devices.
    A desktop computer can have touch, but never touch only.

    Last edited by mdmd; 29 Oct 2013 at 13:33.
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  9. #39


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    Quote Originally Posted by davehc View Post
    It maybe a point of view.mdmd.
    I do not see it at all, as you do in your linked thread.
    Having fun with this topic, ha, ha. Well, I have seen some people describe the start screen as a menu. Yes, if they see the start screen as a menu, that is fine. My view is that it is a user configurable launcher.

    I don't know why the all apps area might not be seen as a menu. It has all its structure defined by the Operating System. Everything is automatically sorted and grouped. That is the definition of menu.

    The start screen is a random placement area like the desktop. Each to their own view.
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  10. #40


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    This is a funny thread. Remember this?

    Uncontestable proof that "Metro" is touch only
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