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Apps vs Programs Question

  1. #11


    Quote Originally Posted by davehc View Post
    You could be right, but I have no knowledge of any way to delete all the apps. I am using 8.1
    But 8.1 does have the option to boot straight through to the legacy desktop, thus avoiding the modern screen. Having done that, if it is the path you prefer, there is no reason to need the modern screen again.
    I was going by the screen shot they show in Step 1 of this article on The Metro Hater's Guide to Windows 8.1. But, looking at it more carefully there may be a previous step which is not shown, which is to check off each app that you want to uninstall. On the first read I was thinking there was a single box to check off to uninstall all "Apps".

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  2. #12


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    Quote Originally Posted by XweAponX View Post
    BTW - I agree with you on one thing, your Start Screen looks like mine kind of. But that is never seen.
    As a point to help the thread topic, my start screen is clean but not empty.
    There are at least 30 metro applications installed.
    All of which can be accessed by a single key stroke, then selecting from the list.

    Unpinning start screen tiles will not affect installed applications.
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  3. #13


    Quote Originally Posted by mdmd View Post
    There is no difference between Programs and Apps, they are just words.

    Attachment 30476
    My "Apps" screen does not look like that. I would post an image of it, but my Print Screen function does not seem to work when I display that screen. In any case I have the Apps text in the top left as shown, and then under that two colums of what I assume are "Apps". Then to the right of that there are more boxes with headings, and a set of boxes for each general heading. They are even in alphabetical order of the headings. Makes a bit of sense. Again, perhaps just my bad assumption, but I assumed it was designating the ones on the left which are centered under the Apps title were the apps, and the stuff on the right the Desktop programs.
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  4. #14


    Sloe Deth, Californicatia
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    Quote Originally Posted by mdmd View Post
    I apologize Ron AKA but I get annoyed by metro bashers who do not use the modern UI.

    I have all those on my iPhone.
    I don't have an iPhone or SmartPhone. (or tablet)

    NO Windows 8 app for that
    Is that Microsoft's fault?

    there are simply very few Windows 8 Tile Craps that are actually useful
    We will never agree.

    None of the things you spouted are useful as Tile apps, but they are useful as Websites if they exist as such
    We will never agree.

    It is interesting to me how so called Windows 8 specialists do not understand WinRT.
    Yes, it IS MS's fault actually.

    Anyway we don't have to agree, Metro is a big thorn, totally useless. Look, even without a Mobile device, windows 8 offers NO tiles that serve any purposes. Even Droid is better, and I hate Droid too. But even on Droid I can find ALL of the apps that are there by default in the Apple App store.

    It's MS fault cos they ALLOW these crappy fake apps into the store, just like it's Apple fault when they do the same thing, I blame Apple AND MS for this superfluity of worthless cack. It's MS fault cos all they care about is making MONEY, not servicing our purposes, so from the start there has not been one real quality Productivity app. Every single original app was designed to plug into already existing Websites like Facebook, And facebook even did not have a tile app until recently, all of the rest of them are fakes.

    And Yes. I know a LOT about Windows 8, and the RT section of it. I know how to use it, maintain it and most importantly IGNORE it. Look, it would be great if there were comparable apps that are in every other mobile device, but there just AIN'T - They are not there, and it is MS practices of letting every 12 year old developer put an app in the store which is either a copy of something else or otherwise totally worthless.

    So I call programs that go into Smartphones Apps which is what everyone else calls them, and I call Desktop Programs, Programs. I think crap is too good a word for what I wanna call MS tile stuff.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ron AKA View Post
    My "Apps" screen does not look like that.
    That is a minimized All Apps screen. You can get it to look like that by selecting the tiny minus sign in the bottom right side of the screen or by pressing CTRL and rolling your mouse wheel.

    Click image for larger version

    As you can see, the apps as listed are not apps but shortcuts that are also defined as an app.
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  6. #16


    Sloe Deth, Californicatia
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    Windows 8 Pro with Media Center/Windows 7


    Quote Originally Posted by Ron AKA View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by mdmd View Post
    There is no difference between Programs and Apps, they are just words.

    Attachment 30476
    My "Apps" screen does not look like that. I would post an image of it, but my Print Screen function does not seem to work when I display that screen. In any case I have the Apps text in the top left as shown, and then under that two colums of what I assume are "Apps". Then to the right of that there are more boxes with headings, and a set of boxes for each general heading. They are even in alphabetical order of the headings. Makes a bit of sense. Again, perhaps just my bad assumption, but I assumed it was designating the ones on the left which are centered under the Apps title were the apps, and the stuff on the right the Desktop programs.
    By the default definition, ALL apps are Programs. The word APP has been used in the last 5 years, even longer because my Treo had "Apps" - But Apps can be defined differently, because they are totally different than Programs. They are installed differently, Apple Apps are in an IPA package, cYdia apps are in another kind of package. Windows Programs are installed from an EXE file which sometimes is connected to an MSI file, which is the case with certain MS updates and Feature installers.

    If you look at the usage of the word "App" in media in the last 4 years, it is mostly used in reference to something on a Smartphone. So while the absolute definition of an App is a Program, by current Urban usage of the word it means a Smartphone Program.

    Anyway, anyone who wants can use any MS tile (c)app they want, it don't concern me at all, and I'll use one when I find one or two that do what they claim, and with over 100 of these things installed, there is only one, Angry Birds.

    But my main use of a PC is strictly for running Programs installed via an EXE file that run in Desktop Mode, because thats what I've always used it for.
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  7. #17


    Quote Originally Posted by davehc View Post
    It is a question of splitting hairs, possibly. Programs, referring to those we have been accustomed to in Windows 7 and earlier, run automatically in the legacy desktop by default. Apps, from the Store, run in full screen mode . But, as the picture shows, in spite of MS themselves having made a virtual difference, they still tabulate all, under "Apps". But, already, colloquially, if you refer to "Apps", it will be assumed you are talking about those already in the modern screen and as well as many in the store. Essentially, it is meaningless.
    I will be the first to admit I don't understand what Microsoft was trying to do with Windows 8 other than to try and make money by selling to smartphone and tablet users. That said I was of the understanding that "Apps" or perhaps more correctly called "Metro Apps" in software coding terms really were different. For example I don't think you can take one of their built in Apps like "Photo" and run it from the Desktop in a regular Window. Or can you? I've only clicked on them once or twice and hated them. It gave me nightmares about thinking I was working with a giant cell phone screen! And isn't the reverse true? I didn't think you could take a standard desktop Windows program and run it in the Metro full screen cell phone mode.

    Please forgive my ignorance about the Metro stuff. I bought Windows 8 to get the latest Windows technology, not the latest cell phone technology.
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  8. #18


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ron AKA View Post
    I will be the first to admit I don't understand what Microsoft was trying to do with Windows 8 other than to try and make money by selling to smartphone and tablet users. That said I was of the understanding that "Apps" or perhaps more correctly called "Metro Apps" in software coding terms really were different. For example I don't think you can take one of their built in Apps like "Photo" and run it from the Desktop in a regular Window. Or can you?
    NOPE
    I've only clicked on them once or twice and hated them. It gave me nightmares about thinking I was working with a giant cell phone screen! And isn't the reverse true? I didn't think you could take a standard desktop Windows program and run it in the Metro full screen cell phone mode.

    Please forgive my ignorance about the Metro stuff. I bought Windows 8 to get the latest Windows technology, not the latest cell phone technology.
    Look "emdemd" has found a bunch of them he liked, and I'm happy for him, that they exist for his purposes, but they do not exist for mine.

    So I shunt the Start Screen aside. I made it look nice for when it shows up, and I even have 100 bleeding Metro Apps installed, cos despite how much I hate it, I am HOPING that I will find one or two useful apps. Not yet!

    But on the other hand Windows 8 run nice and fast and smooth and as a Desktop OS I love it.

    On the other hand, you CAN run a Desktop Program on a Cell Phone, I have Dospad installed on my iPhone, and it opens a fully working copy of Windows 3.1. I have all kinds of old Dos games in there and they run great, especially Wolfenstein 3D.

    What I love about by iPhone is that there are at least 15 or 20 very well designed Apps that allow me to connect to my PC and perform various tasks, and when I think of it, I really don't need the same apps in Windows 8, because the point is, I'm Controlling Windows 8 from my Phone, not from within itself. Otherwise I would be sitting in front of my PC.

    But I don't HAVE to, because I can control my PC with WiFiSendServer that connects to a Windows 8 Remote Mouse, or I can use Remote Mouse, which was just updated to include Stylus Entry. So Now I can draw on my Paint App using that. Or I can explore all of my folders and files and move things from one PC to another or even to another PC at a different location- So that when I get to that PC, the files I need are already there. Or, I can watch my VLC playlist and control it with VLC Remote.

    And I have already asked the dev for VLC Remote to make a Windows 8 version, he hasn't yet, not for RT, only for the 8 Phone.
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  9. #19


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    But my main use of a PC is strictly for running Programs installed via an EXE file that run in Desktop Mode, because thats what I've always used it for.
    Fine, and most will agree with you. But that's only 1/2 half of the OS. The Windows 8 specialists who think they know all about Windows 8, are mostly experts with the desktop app.
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  10. #20


    Sloe Deth, Californicatia
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    Windows 8 Pro with Media Center/Windows 7


    Just because I hate it, doesn't mean I don't KNOW all about how it works and how to use it, thats a misconception.

    Besides, it's the Desktop side that we are responding to in these forums, very rarely the Metro side.
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