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    There's another aspect of Windows 8 that I really dislike and that's the forced sign in to a Microsoft account before you can use certain apps. The calendar app is one that I've mentioned previously, which you can't load/access without signing in to the Microsoft account. Some people love putting all of their information 'in the cloud' but I don't; nor do I see any reason why I shouldn't be able to use apps and maintain the relevant information solely on my PC, without any external interference.

    But what I found really irritating, just a moment ago, is when I tried to install a banking app, produced by my particular bank. I simply could not install the app unless I signed in to my Microsoft account. I see no reason why I should sign in to the Microsoft account to install an app that has nothing whatsoever to do with Microsoft. And similarly to the calendar app, there is not even an explanation as to why this is required, it's just an in-your-face pop-up that allows no other option.

    If this is the future of Windows, I'll be hanging on to Windows 7 for a long time. You may like it, but I don't.

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    Windows 8.1 x64


    Your Microsoft account being required for app installation is used to either track / manage licenses for the apps you've installed, to roam settings for your app between multiple devices using that account, or for security reasons. It's OK if you don't like it (there's nothing wrong with having an opinion), but the reasons for requiring it weren't deemed unnecessary by the developer. You could always try to take that up with them, as well, but there are (usually) good reasons for requiring an account that has a paper trail associated with it and has the ability to sync settings and such to a secure location in the Microsoft cloud.

    Mail and Calendar, for instance, have pretty specific reasons for using your Microsoft account, and a lot of that is to do with EAS support and settings/data roaming between devices.
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    Hello Ray,

    Sorry, but to download, purchase, or install anything from the Windows Store, you must be signed in to a Microsoft account.

    Windows Store Terms of Use

    See the information at the top of the tutorial below as well for more information. Store apps are owned and kept tracked of by your Microsoft account. This is why it's required.

    Apps - Install Metro Apps from Windows 8 Store



    However, nothing prevents you (administrator account) from installing any desktop type programs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cluberti View Post
    Your Microsoft account being required for app installation is used to either track / manage licenses for the apps you've installed, to roam settings for your app between multiple devices using that account, or for security reasons. It's OK if you don't like it (there's nothing wrong with having an opinion), but the reasons for requiring it weren't deemed unnecessary by the developer. You could always try to take that up with them, as well, but there are (usually) good reasons for requiring an account that has a paper trail associated with it and has the ability to sync settings and such to a secure location in the Microsoft cloud.

    Mail and Calendar, for instance, have pretty specific reasons for using your Microsoft account, and a lot of that is to do with EAS support and settings/data roaming between devices.
    What happens when Microsoft gets hacked?
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    The same thing that happens when anyone gets hacked - they'll get severely fined, pay a heavy price in customer confidence, and will suffer sales. If you don't like it, it's OK not to use it, but that means you'll lose some functionality with the store.
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    Ah yes, read the fine print. Considering that you already had to register etc when you installed Windows 8 and Microsoft collects info on your system anyway, the streamlined user experience isn't that flash. Whatever happened to persistent cookies, noting that I allow Microsoft cookies to be retained in my system? I can understand a sign in for paid apps, but for free apps it just adds another step in your path, especially if you don't use the Microsoft account much at all and don't remember the details.
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    Windows 8.1 Pro


    You must sign in to a MS account to install any apps. The reason is for license management. Even free apps are still licensed. The idea is that if you install or purchase an app, you can share it on up to five different devices, along with any data those apps may share.

    This is the same way it works in iOS. You must sign in to iTunes even to download free apps.
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  8. #8


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ray8 View Post
    There's another aspect of Windows 8 that I really dislike and that's the forced sign in to a Microsoft account before you can use certain apps. The calendar app is one that I've mentioned previously, which you can't load/access without signing in to the Microsoft account. Some people love putting all of their information 'in the cloud' but I don't; nor do I see any reason why I shouldn't be able to use apps and maintain the relevant information solely on my PC, without any external interference.

    But what I found really irritating, just a moment ago, is when I tried to install a banking app, produced by my particular bank. I simply could not install the app unless I signed in to my Microsoft account. I see no reason why I should sign in to the Microsoft account to install an app that has nothing whatsoever to do with Microsoft. And similarly to the calendar app, there is not even an explanation as to why this is required, it's just an in-your-face pop-up that allows no other option.

    If this is the future of Windows, I'll be hanging on to Windows 7 for a long time. You may like it, but I don't.
    Inmy opinion, it sounds reasonable to me if MS wants you to sigh in with themwhen you download and install a windows 8 app. But when it comes to the bankingapp it makes no sense what-so-ever and there is no way I would do it.. Is itpossible you are misunderstanding what they are saying because it make no senseto me. Your banking app is your own personal business
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ray8 View Post
    There's another aspect of Windows 8 that I really dislike and that's the forced sign in to a Microsoft account before you can use certain apps. The calendar app is one that I've mentioned previously, which you can't load/access without signing in to the Microsoft account. Some people love putting all of their information 'in the cloud' but I don't; nor do I see any reason why I shouldn't be able to use apps and maintain the relevant information solely on my PC, without any external interference.
    ....

    If this is the future of Windows, I'll be hanging on to Windows 7 for a long time. You may like it, but I don't.
    A Mac will get you somewhat closer to what you want at least if you don't want to sync, for example, calendar entries to other devices. I think the cloud is pretty much a fact of life today, but, to a fairly large extent, it can be avoided.

    I have done a lot with Win8 at this point, but I would not use it seriously over Win7. I simply don't like the Metro interface. I find it too inefficient given what I do with computers, etc.--except to learn about new OS's and to help others with them. Also, besides inefficiency, it has to much push built in. For example, on both inefficiency and push, if I want to create a new user in Control Panel, then I end up in Metro, where I can't, as far as I can tell, finish the job if I want the user to be more than a standard user. And, along the way I have to say no to all the push turned on to get me to use an MS login.
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    I assumed that once I'd started Windows 8, all apps in the 'start page' were active in themselves ie, no need to sign in (after the initial Windows 8 installation, registration and log ins) to access anything associated with those apps.

    The Windows Store should know sufficient details of the machine accessing the store to allow at least free apps to be downloaded without a sign in.

    Subsequently, if there is a need or option to sign in, for example, if you want to access 'in-the-cloud' services, or a paid app, then you sign in separately to use or pay for an app.
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