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There's another aspect of Windows 8 that I really dislike and that's the forced sign in to a Microsoft account before you can use certain apps. The calendar app is one that I've mentioned previously, which you can't load/access without signing in to the Microsoft account. Some people love putting all of their information 'in the cloud' but I don't; nor do I see any reason why I shouldn't be able to use apps and maintain the relevant information solely on my PC, without any external interference.

But what I found really irritating, just a moment ago, is when I tried to install a banking app, produced by my particular bank. I simply could not install the app unless I signed in to my Microsoft account. I see no reason why I should sign in to the Microsoft account to install an app that has nothing whatsoever to do with Microsoft. And similarly to the calendar app, there is not even an explanation as to why this is required, it's just an in-your-face pop-up that allows no other option.

If this is the future of Windows, I'll be hanging on to Windows 7 for a long time. You may like it, but I don't.
 

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Your Microsoft account being required for app installation is used to either track / manage licenses for the apps you've installed, to roam settings for your app between multiple devices using that account, or for security reasons. It's OK if you don't like it (there's nothing wrong with having an opinion), but the reasons for requiring it weren't deemed unnecessary by the developer. You could always try to take that up with them, as well, but there are (usually) good reasons for requiring an account that has a paper trail associated with it and has the ability to sync settings and such to a secure location in the Microsoft cloud.

Mail and Calendar, for instance, have pretty specific reasons for using your Microsoft account, and a lot of that is to do with EAS support and settings/data roaming between devices.
 

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Hello Ray,

Sorry, but to download, purchase, or install anything from the Windows Store, you must be signed in to a Microsoft account.

Windows Store Terms of Use

See the information at the top of the tutorial below as well for more information. Store apps are owned and kept tracked of by your Microsoft account. This is why it's required.

http://www.eightforums.com/tutorials/5270-apps-install-metro-apps-windows-8-store.html



However, nothing prevents you (administrator account) from installing any desktop type programs.
 

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Your Microsoft account being required for app installation is used to either track / manage licenses for the apps you've installed, to roam settings for your app between multiple devices using that account, or for security reasons. It's OK if you don't like it (there's nothing wrong with having an opinion), but the reasons for requiring it weren't deemed unnecessary by the developer. You could always try to take that up with them, as well, but there are (usually) good reasons for requiring an account that has a paper trail associated with it and has the ability to sync settings and such to a secure location in the Microsoft cloud.

Mail and Calendar, for instance, have pretty specific reasons for using your Microsoft account, and a lot of that is to do with EAS support and settings/data roaming between devices.

What happens when Microsoft gets hacked?
 

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The same thing that happens when anyone gets hacked - they'll get severely fined, pay a heavy price in customer confidence, and will suffer sales. If you don't like it, it's OK not to use it, but that means you'll lose some functionality with the store.
 

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Ah yes, read the fine print. Considering that you already had to register etc when you installed Windows 8 and Microsoft collects info on your system anyway, the streamlined user experience isn't that flash. Whatever happened to persistent cookies, noting that I allow Microsoft cookies to be retained in my system? I can understand a sign in for paid apps, but for free apps it just adds another step in your path, especially if you don't use the Microsoft account much at all and don't remember the details.
 

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You must sign in to a MS account to install any apps. The reason is for license management. Even free apps are still licensed. The idea is that if you install or purchase an app, you can share it on up to five different devices, along with any data those apps may share.

This is the same way it works in iOS. You must sign in to iTunes even to download free apps.
 

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There's another aspect of Windows 8 that I really dislike and that's the forced sign in to a Microsoft account before you can use certain apps. The calendar app is one that I've mentioned previously, which you can't load/access without signing in to the Microsoft account. Some people love putting all of their information 'in the cloud' but I don't; nor do I see any reason why I shouldn't be able to use apps and maintain the relevant information solely on my PC, without any external interference.

But what I found really irritating, just a moment ago, is when I tried to install a banking app, produced by my particular bank. I simply could not install the app unless I signed in to my Microsoft account. I see no reason why I should sign in to the Microsoft account to install an app that has nothing whatsoever to do with Microsoft. And similarly to the calendar app, there is not even an explanation as to why this is required, it's just an in-your-face pop-up that allows no other option.

If this is the future of Windows, I'll be hanging on to Windows 7 for a long time. You may like it, but I don't.

Inmy opinion, it sounds reasonable to me if MS wants you to sigh in with themwhen you download and install a windows 8 app. But when it comes to the bankingapp it makes no sense what-so-ever and there is no way I would do it.. Is itpossible you are misunderstanding what they are saying because it make no senseto me. Your banking app is your own personal business
 

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There's another aspect of Windows 8 that I really dislike and that's the forced sign in to a Microsoft account before you can use certain apps. The calendar app is one that I've mentioned previously, which you can't load/access without signing in to the Microsoft account. Some people love putting all of their information 'in the cloud' but I don't; nor do I see any reason why I shouldn't be able to use apps and maintain the relevant information solely on my PC, without any external interference.
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If this is the future of Windows, I'll be hanging on to Windows 7 for a long time. You may like it, but I don't.
A Mac will get you somewhat closer to what you want at least if you don't want to sync, for example, calendar entries to other devices. I think the cloud is pretty much a fact of life today, but, to a fairly large extent, it can be avoided.

I have done a lot with Win8 at this point, but I would not use it seriously over Win7. I simply don't like the Metro interface. I find it too inefficient given what I do with computers, etc.--except to learn about new OS's and to help others with them. Also, besides inefficiency, it has to much push built in. For example, on both inefficiency and push, if I want to create a new user in Control Panel, then I end up in Metro, where I can't, as far as I can tell, finish the job if I want the user to be more than a standard user. And, along the way I have to say no to all the push turned on to get me to use an MS login.
 

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I assumed that once I'd started Windows 8, all apps in the 'start page' were active in themselves ie, no need to sign in (after the initial Windows 8 installation, registration and log ins) to access anything associated with those apps.

The Windows Store should know sufficient details of the machine accessing the store to allow at least free apps to be downloaded without a sign in.

Subsequently, if there is a need or option to sign in, for example, if you want to access 'in-the-cloud' services, or a paid app, then you sign in separately to use or pay for an app.
 

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I assumed that once I'd started Windows 8, all apps in the 'start page' were active in themselves ie, no need to sign in (after the initial Windows 8 installation, registration and log ins) to access anything associated with those apps. The Windows Store should know sufficient details of the machine accessing the store to allow at least free apps to be downloaded without a sign in.

Subsequently, if there is a need or option to sign in, for example, if you want to access 'in-the-cloud' services, or a paid app, then you sign in separately to use or pay for an app.

Ray,

Some of the default Store apps included with Windows 7 you can open without having to be signed in to a Microsoft account. However, apps that use a service may require you to use a Microsoft account.

You will still of course must be signed in to a Microsoft account to be able to download, purchase, and install Store apps though.
 

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That's not how any app store works. *ALL* app stores require that you sign in to the app store in order to install new apps, even free apps.

It works this way with the iTunes app store, the google play store, the amazon store, etc.. This is because Free apps and paid apps are the same thing, Free apps just have a price of $0.00. So each installation is still considered a "purchase" and tracked in your account so that it may be synchronized later.

For a banking app, you must sign in to download the app, but when you sign in to your banking app then that is handled by your bank.
 

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I've never accessed any 'app' store previously and where I've accessed sites that provide downloadable apps/programs, it's been patently evident if/when some form of sign in is required, be that just an email address or a registration.

The thing is, I'm already signed into Windows 8 and the so-called 'app store' does not look like a clearly identifiable, separate, store. It looks just like any other app/program in Windows 8. Couldn't Microsoft have designed the app store so that at least when you accessed it, it would advise you that you are now going to a separate store and sign in is required if you wish to download apps.

Better yet, why not make the sign in persistent and have it associated with your log in. Or is that simply too logical?
 

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I've never accessed any 'app' store previously and where I've accessed sites that provide downloadable apps/programs, it's been patently evident if/when some form of sign in is required, be that just an email address or a registration.

The thing is, I'm already signed into Windows 8 and the so-called 'app store' does not look like a clearly identifiable, separate, store. It looks just like any other app/program in Windows 8. Couldn't Microsoft have designed the app store so that at least when you accessed it, it would advise you that you are now going to a separate store and sign in is required if you wish to download apps.

Better yet, why not make the sign in persistent and have it associated with your log in. Or is that simply too logical?

They do. It's called a Microsoft account that you can use to sign in to Windows 8 with, and will also sign you into the Store when you open it. ;)


http://www.eightforums.com/tutorials/4840-microsoft-account-switch-windows-8-a.html

Windows Store Terms of Use
 

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They do. It's called a Microsoft account that you can use to sign in to Windows 8 with, and will also sign you into the Store when you open it. ;)

That's not what I want to do. I want to avoid 'the cloud'; what's on my PC, stays on my PC. What I was implying is something akin to accessing this forum. I allow a cookie to be installed, which remains persistent, so that any time I open the forum, I'm logged in. The same applies with my Outlook accounts, when I open Outlook, I can access all my email accounts without a separate login each time. Now would that be too difficult?
 

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Look, now you're just being argumentative.

You keep going back and forth. You say why can't they do something, and when we point out that they do, you say you don't want that.

The fact of the matter is that things are what they are. Either learn to live with it, or do something else. That's pretty much all there is to it.
 

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They do. It's called a Microsoft account that you can use to sign in to Windows 8 with, and will also sign you into the Store when you open it. ;)

That's not what I want to do. I want to avoid 'the cloud'; what's on my PC, stays on my PC. What I was implying is something akin to accessing this forum. I allow a cookie to be installed, which remains persistent, so that any time I open the forum, I'm logged in. The same applies with my Outlook accounts, when I open Outlook, I can access all my email accounts without a separate login each time. Now would that be too difficult?

I think you are completely misunderstanding what a Microsoft account is.

http://www.eightforums.com/tutorials/4840-microsoft-account-switch-windows-8-a.html

Using a Microsoft account will not place your files on the "cloud". They will stay on your local computer just as they would using a local account.

In fact, you could even turn off anything sync settings you do not want to use.

http://www.eightforums.com/tutorials/5591-sync-your-settings-turn-off-windows-8-a.html


Please read all of the information at the links I posted to get some more details about this to help as well. :)
 

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They do. It's called a Microsoft account that you can use to sign in to Windows 8 with, and will also sign you into the Store when you open it. ;)

That's not what I want to do. I want to avoid 'the cloud'; what's on my PC, stays on my PC. What I was implying is something akin to accessing this forum. I allow a cookie to be installed, which remains persistent, so that any time I open the forum, I'm logged in. The same applies with my Outlook accounts, when I open Outlook, I can access all my email accounts without a separate login each time. Now would that be too difficult?

I think you are completely misunderstanding what a Microsoft account is.

http://www.eightforums.com/tutorials/4840-microsoft-account-switch-windows-8-a.html

Using a Microsoft account will not place your files on the "cloud". They will stay on your local computer just as they would using a local account.

In fact, you could even turn off anything sync settings you do not want to use.

http://www.eightforums.com/tutorials/5591-sync-your-settings-turn-off-windows-8-a.html


Please read all of the information at the links I posted to get some more details about this to help as well. :)

I understand all of that now, but I do not want to sync/log in with an externally managed account, just local. All I'm asking is why can't the app store login stay persistent with a local account? On the other hand, why can't the app store log in be more explanatory or clear about what's happening? There should be no requirement to read Terms of Service to access a simple download site.
 

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Sorry, but no. You must be signed in to a Microsoft account to be able to download, purchase, and install Metro Store apps.

It does let you know that you need a Microsoft account when you try to do this with a local account though.

Them's the breaks I'm afraid. :(
 

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Sorry, but no. You must be signed in to a Microsoft account to be able to download, purchase, and install Metro Store apps.

It does let you know that you need a Microsoft account when you try to do this with a local account though.

Them's the breaks I'm afraid. :(

I realise that (now), but I thought/expected that I would be automatically signed in after doing so once, even in local mode. It doesn't really matter, however, as the apps are still pretty useless in a desktop environment. So much more could have been achieved, with a little more imagination and consideration for desktop users.
 

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