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  1. #31


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    Posts : 177
    Win 8


    No it's not a web browser and is not web standards compliant, it is a proprietary application that effectively tunnels to the MS app server and doesn't use cookies.
    MS want you to use an MS account for you PC login, that's why it's made that way. They want to control your data and push you into their cloud so that later they can charge you for it.

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  2. #32


    Posts : 9
    Android


    So what happens if you don't have a Microsoft account or, heaven forbid, you don't have an email account at all, does W8 deem you to be persona non grata?
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  3. #33


    UK
    Posts : 177
    Win 8


    Yep
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  4. #34


    South Coast NSW, Australia
    Posts : 615
    Windows 8.1 'Ultimate' RTM 64 bit (Pro/WMC).


    It doesn't worry me unduly, as I've had a Hotmail a/c for like forever. I normally sign-in locally, but can logon to my Hotmail a/c whenever I want to d/l an app or whatever. I can then logoff and continue as normal. You do not have to remain logged-on to MS to use the OS, it runs just fine even if you've never connected to the internet at all. And none of the features that require logging-on to MS are essential services (yet?), and most have non-MS equivalents. Even the apps I've tried work if you're not logged-in, not always fully, but useably. Wenda. :-)
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  5. #35


    UK
    Posts : 177
    Win 8


    As hotmail is the most commonly compromised email service it is not a good choice for a windows account if you store your personal stuff on SkyDrive. Once they have your Email account they have your login, the sync feature means they have your PC and all your files, they can steal your life!

    If you choose to use an MS account to login or use SkyDrive get a proper secure email account, with a secure password and use SSL encryption.
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  6. #36


    Posts : 9
    Android


    What/where do I get a secure MS account?
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  7. #37


    UK
    Posts : 177
    Win 8


    You get a secure email account from a proper email provider like your ISP, choose a secure complex password, and set encryption on the account so that your email and passwords are encrypted before being sent over the Internet. If you ain't paying for it they are making money out of it some other way like selling it on to all and sundry. Why do you think there is o much spam on HotMail & gMail?

    Best way is buy yourself a domain, you then have a real personal email address, it's not very expensive and companies like 123Reg will provide a low cost email service which is secure and configurable. Only give to people or sites you trust.

    Never ever use HotMail or Gmail as your real email account, it's ok to use for throw away stuff like forum logins, or registering on sites that are going to sell it on to someone who will bombard you with spam, but never never ever for personal communications.

    You use that secure email address for your MS account when you set it up. And set a secure complex password for your MS login.

    Or maybe I'm just paranoid.
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  8. #38


    Posts : 534
    Windows 7, Windows 8 RP


    Quote Originally Posted by Ray8 View Post
    I understand that fully, as I've said a number of times already. But my question is why do it this way? Windows 8 is supposed to streamline and make things easier and quicker, and considering that the app stores is displayed like any other app, surely Microsoft could have implemented something akin to cookies in web browsers.

    Indeed, doesn't the app store actually open up as a web browser, only it doesn't look like web browser, or why could it not open up in a web browser? Everyone is telling me why it doesn't, or saying why it can't, or saying that's just the way it is. I'm suggesting something different. You know, moving away from doing things the 'old' way.
    You realize that your nice little cookies that log in for you are all in plain text? That means that any Trojan that gets onto your system gets easy access to that information. If you don't belief that for any reason then install LastPass and let it auto add all your web favourites that you log into automatically, it grabs your login info from your cookies to do that. Everything that requires login in the Modern UI is done so over HTTPS and is encrypted, if you don't want to link your account so that everything can be done using Single Sign On then don't but you will then have to authenticate every time.
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  9. #39


    Posts : 1,770
    Windows Phone 6, Windows CE 5, Windows Vista x32, Windows 7 x32/x64, Windows 8 x64


    Quote Originally Posted by R0bR View Post
    You realize that your nice little cookies that log in for you are all in plain text? That means that any Trojan that gets onto your system gets easy access to that information. If you don't belief that for any reason then install LastPass and let it auto add all your web favourites that you log into automatically, it grabs your login info from your cookies to do that. Everything that requires login in the Modern UI is done so over HTTPS and is encrypted, if you don't want to link your account so that everything can be done using Single Sign On then don't but you will then have to authenticate every time.
    I fully understand how cookies work and they don't work like that, cookies do not store usernames and passwords unless the website your using specifically puts that information in the cookie. That's not going to happen with secure sites, but might happen with a site like eightforums. But that doesn't mean that sites can't inadvertently reveal user details, not matter what you're using to secure your details locally, or in the cloud.

    I also don't like having my username/password details stored outside my own hard drive on some third party web site, so I'll leave Lastpass to those who trust others with their details. I also have all of my usernames/passwords (except banking ones) stored in one encrypted document. Anyone who might get that document in their mitts won't be able to access it.

    It still doesn't answer the original question.
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  10. #40


    A Finnish ex-pat in Leipzig, Germany
    Posts : 1,452
    Windows 8.1 Pro with Media Center


    Quote Originally Posted by Ray8 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Brink View Post
    They do. It's called a Microsoft account that you can use to sign in to Windows 8 with, and will also sign you into the Store when you open it.
    That's not what I want to do. I want to avoid 'the cloud'; what's on my PC, stays on my PC. What I was implying is something akin to accessing this forum. I allow a cookie to be installed, which remains persistent, so that any time I open the forum, I'm logged in. The same applies with my Outlook accounts, when I open Outlook, I can access all my email accounts without a separate login each time. Now would that be too difficult?
    Quote Originally Posted by Ray8 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Brink View Post
    Nope. Only while signed in to a Microsoft account will you be signed in to the Store or Store apps (when opened) automatically.

    You are able to sign in to the Store with any Microsoft account while signed in to either a local account or Microsoft account though.
    Again, I understand that; but that's exactly what I'm questioning. Why is it so?
    Ray, one of us has misunderstood something.

    Just last Sunday I set up a Windows 8 Pro machine with 4 local accounts, not a single Microsoft Account. Doing it like this I totally understood that by default nothing on those user profiles / local accounts is tied to any Microsoft or other email accounts, but at the same time I could when need arises connect one or more services to whatever account I want to.

    An example: Local account, installing first time from Store. When you click Install button, this dialog appears:

    Click image for larger version

    So what? Give your email and you are ready to install. As long as you do not manually edit registers Windows Store will never again ask your email address. However, this email address you used to install was only used to register your Store App and apps you might download from Store. If you now open Mail App it will ask again an Microsoft Account mail address and now you can use a completely different one here. it does not have to be the same (notice that for the system functionality, the email address used to register Mail App will also be used for Contacts, Calendar and SkyDrive).

    When you want to "give your notice" to Microsoft simply delete the local account, select Delete files and create a new one. Simple.

    Kari
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