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  1. #11


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ray8 View Post
    I assumed that once I'd started Windows 8, all apps in the 'start page' were active in themselves ie, no need to sign in (after the initial Windows 8 installation, registration and log ins) to access anything associated with those apps. The Windows Store should know sufficient details of the machine accessing the store to allow at least free apps to be downloaded without a sign in.

    Subsequently, if there is a need or option to sign in, for example, if you want to access 'in-the-cloud' services, or a paid app, then you sign in separately to use or pay for an app.
    Ray,

    Some of the default Store apps included with Windows 7 you can open without having to be signed in to a Microsoft account. However, apps that use a service may require you to use a Microsoft account.

    You will still of course must be signed in to a Microsoft account to be able to download, purchase, and install Store apps though.

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  2. #12


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    That's not how any app store works. *ALL* app stores require that you sign in to the app store in order to install new apps, even free apps.

    It works this way with the iTunes app store, the google play store, the amazon store, etc.. This is because Free apps and paid apps are the same thing, Free apps just have a price of $0.00. So each installation is still considered a "purchase" and tracked in your account so that it may be synchronized later.

    For a banking app, you must sign in to download the app, but when you sign in to your banking app then that is handled by your bank.
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    I've never accessed any 'app' store previously and where I've accessed sites that provide downloadable apps/programs, it's been patently evident if/when some form of sign in is required, be that just an email address or a registration.

    The thing is, I'm already signed into Windows 8 and the so-called 'app store' does not look like a clearly identifiable, separate, store. It looks just like any other app/program in Windows 8. Couldn't Microsoft have designed the app store so that at least when you accessed it, it would advise you that you are now going to a separate store and sign in is required if you wish to download apps.

    Better yet, why not make the sign in persistent and have it associated with your log in. Or is that simply too logical?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ray8 View Post
    I've never accessed any 'app' store previously and where I've accessed sites that provide downloadable apps/programs, it's been patently evident if/when some form of sign in is required, be that just an email address or a registration.

    The thing is, I'm already signed into Windows 8 and the so-called 'app store' does not look like a clearly identifiable, separate, store. It looks just like any other app/program in Windows 8. Couldn't Microsoft have designed the app store so that at least when you accessed it, it would advise you that you are now going to a separate store and sign in is required if you wish to download apps.

    Better yet, why not make the sign in persistent and have it associated with your log in. Or is that simply too logical?
    They do. It's called a Microsoft account that you can use to sign in to Windows 8 with, and will also sign you into the Store when you open it.


    Microsoft Account - Switch to in Windows 8

    Windows Store Terms of Use
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brink View Post
    They do. It's called a Microsoft account that you can use to sign in to Windows 8 with, and will also sign you into the Store when you open it.
    That's not what I want to do. I want to avoid 'the cloud'; what's on my PC, stays on my PC. What I was implying is something akin to accessing this forum. I allow a cookie to be installed, which remains persistent, so that any time I open the forum, I'm logged in. The same applies with my Outlook accounts, when I open Outlook, I can access all my email accounts without a separate login each time. Now would that be too difficult?
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  6. #16


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    Look, now you're just being argumentative.

    You keep going back and forth. You say why can't they do something, and when we point out that they do, you say you don't want that.

    The fact of the matter is that things are what they are. Either learn to live with it, or do something else. That's pretty much all there is to it.
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  7. #17


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ray8 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Brink View Post
    They do. It's called a Microsoft account that you can use to sign in to Windows 8 with, and will also sign you into the Store when you open it.
    That's not what I want to do. I want to avoid 'the cloud'; what's on my PC, stays on my PC. What I was implying is something akin to accessing this forum. I allow a cookie to be installed, which remains persistent, so that any time I open the forum, I'm logged in. The same applies with my Outlook accounts, when I open Outlook, I can access all my email accounts without a separate login each time. Now would that be too difficult?
    I think you are completely misunderstanding what a Microsoft account is.

    Microsoft Account - Switch to in Windows 8

    Using a Microsoft account will not place your files on the "cloud". They will stay on your local computer just as they would using a local account.

    In fact, you could even turn off anything sync settings you do not want to use.

    Sync Your Settings - Turn On or Off in Windows 8


    Please read all of the information at the links I posted to get some more details about this to help as well.
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  8. #18


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    Quote Originally Posted by Brink View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Ray8 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Brink View Post
    They do. It's called a Microsoft account that you can use to sign in to Windows 8 with, and will also sign you into the Store when you open it.
    That's not what I want to do. I want to avoid 'the cloud'; what's on my PC, stays on my PC. What I was implying is something akin to accessing this forum. I allow a cookie to be installed, which remains persistent, so that any time I open the forum, I'm logged in. The same applies with my Outlook accounts, when I open Outlook, I can access all my email accounts without a separate login each time. Now would that be too difficult?
    I think you are completely misunderstanding what a Microsoft account is.

    Microsoft Account - Switch to in Windows 8

    Using a Microsoft account will not place your files on the "cloud". They will stay on your local computer just as they would using a local account.

    In fact, you could even turn off anything sync settings you do not want to use.

    Sync Your Settings - Turn On or Off in Windows 8


    Please read all of the information at the links I posted to get some more details about this to help as well.
    I understand all of that now, but I do not want to sync/log in with an externally managed account, just local. All I'm asking is why can't the app store login stay persistent with a local account? On the other hand, why can't the app store log in be more explanatory or clear about what's happening? There should be no requirement to read Terms of Service to access a simple download site.
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    Sorry, but no. You must be signed in to a Microsoft account to be able to download, purchase, and install Metro Store apps.

    It does let you know that you need a Microsoft account when you try to do this with a local account though.

    Them's the breaks I'm afraid.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brink View Post
    Sorry, but no. You must be signed in to a Microsoft account to be able to download, purchase, and install Metro Store apps.

    It does let you know that you need a Microsoft account when you try to do this with a local account though.

    Them's the breaks I'm afraid.
    I realise that (now), but I thought/expected that I would be automatically signed in after doing so once, even in local mode. It doesn't really matter, however, as the apps are still pretty useless in a desktop environment. So much more could have been achieved, with a little more imagination and consideration for desktop users.
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