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Diagnostic software to determine if I can benefit from mor

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    Diagnostic software to determine if I can benefit from mor


    I recently purchased a new 11" Dell laptop with 4GB of RAM running Windows 8.1 and a relatively weak processor (Quad core Pentium - compared with an i3,i5,i7). I know that replacing my 5400RPM hard drive with an SSD can vastly improve my performance, but I'm also wondering if upgrading my RAM to 8GB could help also. Is there a RAM diagnostic tool that can monitor the performace within Windows 8.1 and let me know if I can significantly benefit by installing more RAM?

    Thanks

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    4GB of RAM is enough for anything unless you need more for gaming or virtual machines.
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    Quote Originally Posted by techman41973 View Post
    I recently purchased a new 11" Dell laptop with 4GB of RAM running Windows 8.1 and a relatively weak processor (Quad core Pentium - compared with an i3,i5,i7). I know that replacing my 5400RPM hard drive with an SSD can vastly improve my performance, but I'm also wondering if upgrading my RAM to 8GB could help also. Is there a RAM diagnostic tool that can monitor the performace within Windows 8.1 and let me know if I can significantly benefit by installing more RAM?

    Thanks
    Open Task Manger and check what's going on, if your Memory usage keeps on getting close to 100%, than you can benefit from some more RAM.
    I also use this: MemInfo - Carthago Software to monitor RAM usage.
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    Does it run 32 or 64 bit Windows 8? If 32 bit then no point in adding ram as it won't be used. You would have to switch to a 64 bit version which means a clean install.
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    Before you go out and buy more RAM, consider tweaking the OS to better manage the RAM it has.
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    Quote Originally Posted by IW849 View Post
    Before you go out and buy more RAM, consider tweaking the OS to better manage the RAM it has.
    I don't personally have issues with RAM, but what are some tips or advice on how to better manage your RAM? From my understanding Windows default settings do a phenomenal job at managing RAM memory. Just searching for any possible improvements that I haven't heard of?
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    Quote Originally Posted by chris1neji View Post
    From my understanding Windows default settings do a phenomenal job at managing RAM memory.
    That is a common misconception, Windows memory management has not changed much since XP. Microsoft only added "features" like superfetch, which can do more harm than good sometimes, like memory leaks.
    Quote Originally Posted by chris1neji View Post
    Just searching for any possible improvements that I haven't heard of?
    CleanMem Free/Pro | PcWinTech.com - it asks Windows to free RAM, Windows does the cleaning.
    Then disabling services, logging and other tasks, which not only take RAM, but disk and CPU usage.
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    TairikyOkami
    That's actually disappointing to hear, especially since I personally believe that Windows utilize RAM very good. How exactly does it clean up or free RAM?

    I installed it for a 30 minutes but then removed it. My browser felt super slow, my HDD activity went up. It did decrease the amount of RAM in use and reduced some of my cache memory. I been reading his page to try and learn more about it, it essentially does what windows does already but in a more aggressive way? Another reason why it may not have work for me is that I have a lot of programs running nonstop, this machine has been on non-stop for 18 days. If performances does not return to normal I may reboot today though.

    This actually reminds me a bit of my old Android phone around year 2008. Where everyone was downloading battery saver applications that would basically delete or kill applications that are running in the background. However Android 2.0 knew how to put those applications into sleep mode. However by killing those applications with "battery saver" app it did kill them, however a lot of those apps would need to reload because they where constantly use throughout the day. By having to reload them back into memory this ended up costing more battery in the end for the phone. Cleanmem program basically clears the RAM over and over throughout your day just for the sake of reducing RAM in use. However I still feel Windows does a fine job by itself.

    Don't think I will ever understand how RAM works though I seriously don't think I can get some solid proof to back up my claims either.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chris1neji View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by IW849 View Post
    Before you go out and buy more RAM, consider tweaking the OS to better manage the RAM it has.
    I don't personally have issues with RAM, but what are some tips or advice on how to better manage your RAM? From my understanding Windows default settings do a phenomenal job at managing RAM memory. Just searching for any possible improvements that I haven't heard of?
    Before I start, it's best not to say "RAM memory," as "memory" is made redundant by the "M" in the ancronym. (Random Accessed Memory)

    When I was a kid, I wasn't exactly rolling around in cash, so I had dated parts, but it taught me to greatly appreciate what I had, and more importantly, to make the most out of it.

    Rather than spend ages typing out an article on RAM management, I'll just breeze over a couple of methods:

    1. Prioritise and clean your startup programs. You'd be surprised how many times I've seen someone complain of a slow computer, when in-fact it was down to them having an army of junk terrorising their computer every time they turned it on. Long before Windows 8.1's time, it was a case of using MSConfig, but alas, we're not allowed to use that method anymore. Luckily, it's even easier! Just load up the Task Manager and click on the Start-up tab from which you can right-click and disable (or enable) executables.

    2. In Windows Vista, 7, and 8.1 we have services, from Micrsoft and third-party programs, which is wonderful, but for those of you short of RAM, you are best to disable them. I have 8GB RAM and have no need ('though admittedly a slight desire) for more, however, I still disable a bunch of pointless services, because I love to tweak my system! Here are some services you can disable, for general performance as well. For a more exhastive list, consider Google:

    a) Secondary Log-on
    No use to you unless you wish to start a "process under alternative credentials."

    b) Security Center
    Not much use to someone who doesn't need a message telling them everything they already know. This process has always been a resource-hog, and I very much dislike it. I'd say this would be the most-recommend item to disable, but if you like the messages and don't feel confident without it, then you can keep it running.

    c) Smart card
    This may already be set to disable, but if it isn't, disable it. Alternatively, set it to manual. If you're unsure about a service, set it to manual. Disable is only when you're certain you don't want to load something.

    I remember, when I was a kid, I once disabled a ton of services in Windows XP and had to get someone to reinstall Windows, which cost me 40 as I didn't have a Windows installation DVD and no Internet from which to acquire it. From mistakes, come lessons; from lessons, comes advice.

    d) Windows Firewall should be disabled if you have your own firewall; this is to avoid confusing between the two, which can and often does cause performance degredation.

    e) Windows Search isn't much use if you have an SSD (same with Superfetch) so disable that. On a particularly low-RAM system I would just disable it anyway.

    3. Split the pagefile over your physical storage mediums, except any non-permanent external devices. I've always noticed an improvement when setting the minimum and maximum range to the same variable.

    4. On an especially low-RAM system, it would be a good idea to tweak the settings in the Performance Options window, found on the Performance section of the Advanced tab within the System Properties. This is more of a general performance tweak, but it may save a little RAM as well.

    5. Consider switching your regular software to something more RAM-efficient. Typical resource-hoggers include antivirus suites, clients, and functional and/or aesthetic tools for the desktop, such as pretty navigation bars.

    6. Have you installed a metric crap-ton of fonts? Consider cleaning up that fonts folder, as they will take up more RAM.

    Also worth noting that some viruses (malware, spyware, adware in particular) can suck up system resources, so it's worth checking thoroughly if you notice a real lag in performance relating to RAM.
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