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  1. #11


    Quote Originally Posted by jds63 View Post
    Yeah, i think i am set, just too many questionable optimizations for SSD on internet.

    Never knew be complicated to use a SSD ,just pop it in, ready to go.
    All i want to know is it is performing good on my system.

    My system is UEFI. My External HDD i use is USB 3.0. My pagefile which not familiar with fooling with is set to 2944MB almost 3GB.

    As said here about Windows 8.1 Optimize, when i run it manually it is trimming the SSD, plus the analyze button does not function.
    Some research showed there was a glitch in Windows 8 about it defragging it instead, maybe this was cleared up in Win8.1.

    From article i linked from Samsung site it suggested for maximum performance and this is the one i am mainly leaning towards,
    to leave virtual memory and indexing enabled for more speed. Some are saying turn off SuperPrefetch, leave write caching enabled.

    Still deciding what to do,may have to try certain things see how it works.

    Update Reading some research says this about SuperPrefetch:

    In Windows 7, Microsoft attempted to address this issue by automatically disabling Superfetch and Prefetch when a fast SSD was detected. In Windows 8, however, the operating system tries to analyze the performance characteristics of the system’s storage and intelligently enable or disable Superfetch/Prefetch as needed.

    While most users will be fine letting Windows decide how to use Superfetch and Prefetch on its own, there are situations in which Windows may make the wrong decision, and power users will want to manually disable or enable the services. This most often occurs with non-standard configurations such as fast RAID arrays of HDDs, or mixed use of both SSDs and HDDs.

    Under Windows 8 SSD’s and RAID’s are ignored by SuperFetch. SuperFetch, under Windows 8 / 8.1 and newer will only run against spinning disk even though the service is running apparently on all disks… it is not working on SSD’s.

    Seems SuperPrefetch on my system is still enabled.

    System Restore is another question to disable or keep enabled, can programs like Macrium Reflect be as good.

    Using Macrium Reflect™ you can backup whole partitions or individual files and folders into a single compressed mountable archive file. This can then be used to create an exact image of partitions on a hard disk for easy hard disk upgrade or system recovery.

    Not familiar with this program. I did a clean install of Windows 8.1 Pro on new SSD at time. Wonder how it effects performance in any way using an image to restore a system.
    Well when you restore a Disk Image, it restores the disk back to exactly the way it was when you made the Image.

    I have a Liteon 256 GB SSD in my G75, and a Samsung 830 on one system and Intel 530 on another system. I have set up about 20% Over Provisioning. I ran the Samsung tools after installation. I ran the Intel tools on the Intel drive. That it. A lot of the tweaks for SSD are built in to these newer SSD And the OS work with them. There more or less Plug and play now days at least for me.

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  2. #12


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    Windows 8.1 Pro with Media Center


    See this article for an accurate description of the strange things Windows 8.1 does for SSD drives:

    Windows 8.1 SSD Settings, Etc. » TweakHound

    In a nutshell, for clean installs, you don't need to do anything. After a day or two, Windows 8.1 will automatically run the WinSAT task which sets up SuperFetch for the SSD, turns off ReadyBoot (not Boost, Boot), sets up the defragger to TRIM only, etc.

    As for overprovisioning, there's little point in doing it if TRIM is working. In that case, all it does is enforce the reservation of a certain amount of free space, which is normally good, except when you briefly need to use that free space for whatever reason, and you find you can't because it's set aside. If you had simply formatted to capacity, you would have been able to use the space, and the drive wouldn't have keeled over or anything; it would have used its internal overprovisioning. But yeah, normally you should try to keep (say) 20% free space at all times, and using the set-aside space should be a rare, temporary thing. If you can't manage to do that, go ahead and overprovision.

    Don't leave Samsung Magician running. It purposely interferes with sleep, because Samsung believes SSDs can't wake up reliably from sleep, and it can cause BSODs when trying to resume from sleep on otherwise 100% stable systems when left running, which is easy to do, because the evil thing minimizes to the notification area when you close its program window. You need to find its icon in the notification area and close it from there. You also need to remove it from the startup programs, where it registers itself when you install it.
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  3. #13


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    Windows 10 Pro 64bit


    Read that TweakHound article in my travels through the Internet for answers, amongst many others. Question WinSAT Formal command i ran.

    Yeah i am driving myself crazy reading all this stuff about getting most out of SSD, Tweaking this or that, optimization.

    I did do a clean install of Windows 8.1 Pro 64bit, doing this research put a halt on putting half of my software back on.

    As i posted and what is being said here, i should be fine. Only thing i wonder about is Indexing, if i should turn it off or not.
    I know Windows Optimize is trimming the SSD. I know SuperPrefetch is not actually working for SSD, knew where to look for files, there not being made as far as i can see. Although Windows 8.1 does not disable it.

    Hibernate is disabled. Believe Pagefile is fine using 2.9GB and left enabled, SSD is 512GB, my RAM is 16GB.

    So far system seems faster with pulling up program, even installation of my software went through quickly.

    Tired of obsessing over this, just trying enjoy it. I just wanted to know it is running optimal.
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  4. #14


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    Windows 8.1 Pro with Media Center


    I leave Indexing on. I also leave Hibernate on, but I disable Hybrid Sleep on my desktop, which is connected to an APC UPS that will wake it from sleep to hibernate in case of a prolonged outage. This saves it from writing a few GB of data at least once per day when I sleep the computer.

    There's really not a whole to do to "optimize" SSDs for Windows 8.1. SuperFetch ("SuperPrefetch" is not a thing) seems more intelligent and is put in an apparently less aggressive state for SSDs, and ReadyBoot is turned off. I used to disable them in Windows 7, because they would grind hard drives endlessly. In Vista, we called SuperFetch "StupidFetch" because it would do stupid things like load .avi files. Using an SSD, you're not going to hear any excessive access except maybe due to coil whine in a susceptible PSU, but I've noticed no ill effects just leaving these services alone and letting Windows 8.1 do its thing.

    About the Windows 8.1 defragger: It's fine to let it TRIM SSDs, but I began disabling it for hard drives after noticing it would spend hours and hours endlessly grinding a fully defragmented hard drive trying to consolidate free space, which is StupidFetch-level dumb. I wrote a thread about it here. I consider the Windows 8.1 defragger potentially harmful to hard drives because of this behavior.
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  5. #15


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    Thanks crawfish, i tend to be a person who wants to make sure i am getting the most out of what i have. Indexing was one of my biggest thoughts to disable. Most performance Optimization readings on SSD this will add speed to any drive. Only concern people will have with it, is if they are concerned about how long it will last (SSD) Reliability. Same with write caching and buffer caching.

    Someone told me to turn it off, because i have an External USB 3.0 HDD Drive, said to put indexing there then and not the SSD.

    Not familiar with Ready boot, thought from doing a WinSAT should of disabled it, thought i still saw it enabled.

    But told me to leave System Restore because it can save me from any problems, "Last Known Good". I do use it but do not set it more then the default of 9gb.

    Yes i do know also using Defrag on a HDD can wear it out over time. Usually set it for once a month for my External Drive and when i had a HDD for OS.

    I disabled sleep in power options, do not use it. Hibernate either, saved me almost 2GB space.

    Optimizing SSD's all matters on what you are concerned about, Performance (speed), reliability (Life of SSD) and capacity (how much space it uses, or it will use ).
    Last edited by jds63; 08 Aug 2014 at 17:08.
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  6. #16


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    Read this about ReadyBoot, seems should leave it alone.

    ReadyBoot uses data from 5 previous boots to create a plan for a boot-time memory cache. It will try to preload files into RAM before they are needed. All memory used by ReadyBoot is automatically released 90 seconds after booting up, or immediately if another service needs it, so it doesn't have negative performance consequences.

    In other words, on an SSD system, ReadyBoot may not improve boot times by a lot, but it will utilize your fast RAM for what it's good for: serving as a fast cache for the disk. And even the fastest SDDs are still slower than RAM memory - disabling it would still make your booting slightly slower.



    IF you still want to disable it this is where to find it:

    1) go to Administrative tools -> Performance monitor
    2) on the left pane find Data Collector Sets -> Start Up Event Trace Sessions
    3) on the right pane find ReadyBoot, double click it
    4) go to Trace Sessions tab and there UNCHECK "Enabled"
    5) done

    Also learned ReadyBoot is disabled by running "Winsat formal –v" from the command prompt. This is the same as running Windows Experience Index in Windows 8.
    Not just WinSAT Formal as i did, because no WEI in Windows 8.1 anymore.
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  7. #17


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    Through performance monitor my Readyboot is disabled. Articles say it goes along with Superprefetch, when having a SSD not being used.

    From what i wrote before is there any performance issues having this disabled ? Seems it does, somewhere i read it for Flash Drives, simillar to what Windows 7 and Vista had when you went to properties on a flash or external HDD. Had a similar name.
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  8. #18


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    Readyboost was the name, like readyboot.

    Research this comes up readyboost mostly.

    Here a article in Seven Forum

    Disk Thrashing - disable ReadyBoot (not ReadyBoost) - Windows 7 Help Forums
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  9. #19


    Quote Originally Posted by 4wd View Post
    Not sure about doing these things and if it's really needed to
    My impression, by the time some ssd eventually wears out one will be able to buy a new one for 1\8 of the worn one's original price, with 8x the capacity :O) So no worry here, see attachment.
    Excuse me for butting in please but HDD Sentinel is giving me different results reading same SMART. Hours in use, number of starts are different (lower in Sentinel) and health is 98% in SSD life and 100% in Sentinel.
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  10. #20


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    Quote Originally Posted by CountMike View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by 4wd View Post
    Not sure about doing these things and if it's really needed to
    My impression, by the time some ssd eventually wears out one will be able to buy a new one for 1\8 of the worn one's original price, with 8x the capacity :O) So no worry here, see attachment.
    Excuse me for butting in please but HDD Sentinel is giving me different results reading same SMART. Hours in use, number of starts are different (lower in Sentinel) and health is 98% in SSD life and 100% in Sentinel.

    Well i'm no Guru.
    <<<<<<<<<<<

    But my thought is each program is different then other react in different reading. I feel Hard Drive Sentinel is a better Program then the other.
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