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  1. #1


    Saudi Arabia
    Posts : 26
    win 8 Enterprise

    backup to cloud


    Hello everybody.

    I checked control panel to check if I could backup windows to cloud like dropbox, skydrive which shows only external HDD and network.

    If it is possible please help.

    Thanks.

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  2. #2


    No built-in Cloud support yet.
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  3. #3


    Saudi Arabia
    Posts : 26
    win 8 Enterprise


    well, is there third party software, at least to save backups to internal hdd then upload manually to cloud ?.
    Thanks.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ztruker View Post
    No built-in Cloud support yet.
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  4. #4


    Hafnarfjörður IS
    Posts : 4,376
    Linux Centos 7, W8.1, W7, W2K3 Server W10


    Hi there.

    Backing up your OS to the Cloud is a BAD idea. Backing up PERSONAL DATA on to a public server IMO is even worse.

    1) Uploading say a 50GB partition to the cloud will take time -- even with a FAST broadband connection UPLOAD speeds are usually only a small fraction of download speeds - often merely 10% of the download speed.

    2) If you are a US consumer you are likely to have a monthly CAP of which 50GB will be a significant portion.

    3) If you need to restore your OS to an unbootable machine you'll need an alternate BOOTABLE system which has internet connections -- most of the standard solutions used on the forum such as Acronis etc won't have Cloud retrieval facilities built in from the stand alone bootable media.

    4) The remote server could be down too -- not so likely these days but you never know -- it can and does happen. Again for cheapness some of the server sites might be situated in Third World countries where natural disasters regularly happen putting the site out of commission -if not for days certainly by hours as alternate sites are brought back into service

    5) You can't guarantee the security of these servers -- with all off shoring etc and companies looking for Cheapest costs you won't have ANY idea of the level of security that gets applied to your data.

    For myself - I have no problems sharing specific files via Drop box etc -- but using them as Backup storage spaces -- NO THANKS - and if I can't restore a computer in a place where even the POWER might be out for a while then NO THANKS again.

    Cheers
    jimbo
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  5. #5


    Posts : 467
    Windows 8 Pro


    Buy a cheap external USB2/3 drive enclosure (500MB -> 1TB) and backup your drive image there....only plug it in when you want to update your backup , you can even keep the drive elsewhere locked away between backups if you want.
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  6. #6


    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
    Hi there.

    Backing up your OS to the Cloud is a BAD idea. Backing up PERSONAL DATA on to a public server IMO is even worse.

    1) Uploading say a 50GB partition to the cloud will take time -- even with a FAST broadband connection UPLOAD speeds are usually only a small fraction of download speeds - often merely 10% of the download speed.

    2) If you are a US consumer you are likely to have a monthly CAP of which 50GB will be a significant portion.

    3) If you need to restore your OS to an unbootable machine you'll need an alternate BOOTABLE system which has internet connections -- most of the standard solutions used on the forum such as Acronis etc won't have Cloud retrieval facilities built in from the stand alone bootable media.

    4) The remote server could be down too -- not so likely these days but you never know -- it can and does happen. Again for cheapness some of the server sites might be situated in Third World countries where natural disasters regularly happen putting the site out of commission -if not for days certainly by hours as alternate sites are brought back into service

    5) You can't guarantee the security of these servers -- with all off shoring etc and companies looking for Cheapest costs you won't have ANY idea of the level of security that gets applied to your data.

    For myself - I have no problems sharing specific files via Drop box etc -- but using them as Backup storage spaces -- NO THANKS - and if I can't restore a computer in a place where even the POWER might be out for a while then NO THANKS again.

    Cheers
    jimbo
    While I agree with you, especially in the case of the first and second sentences, there are times when cloud backup make sense. I store my data, with asymmetric encryption at my web hosting company. This storage isn't intended for daily backups, more of a "in case disaster strikes" type of scenario. The data is updated, if and when major changes are made, or every two weeks, whichever comes first.

    My internet connection speed is my signature and no, I do not have cap in either direction and yes, I live in the US...
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  7. #7


    Saudi Arabia
    Posts : 26
    win 8 Enterprise


    Thanks jimbo for valuable advice. I do agree with you.

    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
    Hi there.

    Backing up your OS to the Cloud is a BAD idea. Backing up PERSONAL DATA on to a public server IMO is even worse.

    1) Uploading say a 50GB partition to the cloud will take time -- even with a FAST broadband connection UPLOAD speeds are usually only a small fraction of download speeds - often merely 10% of the download speed.

    2) If you are a US consumer you are likely to have a monthly CAP of which 50GB will be a significant portion.

    3) If you need to restore your OS to an unbootable machine you'll need an alternate BOOTABLE system which has internet connections -- most of the standard solutions used on the forum such as Acronis etc won't have Cloud retrieval facilities built in from the stand alone bootable media.

    4) The remote server could be down too -- not so likely these days but you never know -- it can and does happen. Again for cheapness some of the server sites might be situated in Third World countries where natural disasters regularly happen putting the site out of commission -if not for days certainly by hours as alternate sites are brought back into service

    5) You can't guarantee the security of these servers -- with all off shoring etc and companies looking for Cheapest costs you won't have ANY idea of the level of security that gets applied to your data.

    For myself - I have no problems sharing specific files via Drop box etc -- but using them as Backup storage spaces -- NO THANKS - and if I can't restore a computer in a place where even the POWER might be out for a while then NO THANKS again.

    Cheers
    jimbo
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  8. #8


    Saudi Arabia
    Posts : 26
    win 8 Enterprise


    Hi Wullail
    I prefer to build a backup pc ONLY for my BACKUPs, I experienced problem using external hdd/usb, it is a matter of luck !.
    I remember years ago there was cross serial port, I do not know if it is available in market and if it support win 8 AND software I need to operate. If this is possible I will be HAPPY & LUCKY.

    AND maybe local network will help.
    please advice.

    Thank a lot.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wullail View Post
    Buy a cheap external USB2/3 drive enclosure (500MB -> 1TB) and backup your drive image there....only plug it in when you want to update your backup , you can even keep the drive elsewhere locked away between backups if you want.
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  9. #9


    The Netherlands
    Posts : 47
    Windows 10 Pro


    There are several ways to make sure you don't just accidentally lose your data. Building an entire machine seems a bit too redundant if you ask me.

    What i do personally:
    - SSD RAID0 array for my OS and Games
    - Write a backup image to a RAID1 data array 3 times a week
    - Synchronise the backup images to a USB 3.0 external harddrive once a week/month (optionally store the drive away in a small lockbox).
    There even are RAID1 USB 3.0 enclosures out there if you want to double your redundancy (and they beat, building an entire seperate machine).
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  10. #10


    Hafnarfjörður IS
    Posts : 4,376
    Linux Centos 7, W8.1, W7, W2K3 Server W10


    Quote Originally Posted by NessPJ View Post
    There are several ways to make sure you don't just accidentally lose your data. Building an entire machine seems a bit too redundant if you ask me.

    What i do personally:
    - SSD RAID0 array for my OS and Games
    - Write a backup image to a RAID1 data array 3 times a week
    - Synchronise the backup images to a USB 3.0 external harddrive once a week/month (optionally store the drive away in a small lockbox).
    There even are RAID1 USB 3.0 enclosures out there if you want to double your redundancy (and they beat, building an entire seperate machine).

    Hi there
    these days ==>total waste of time using RAID 0 -- Windows SPANNED volumes can do that function - and what's more you can have ANY SIZE disk mixtures in the spanned set - and you get the FULL amount of space -- e.g 3 disks 500GB, 750 GB and 1TB would give you a "Single spanned volume" of 2.25TB. A raid 0 array using the same set of volumes would only give you 3X 500GB = 1.5TB. !!!

    (Raid 1 is only required if you need to dynamically add / change volumes -- good for servers etc that need to be up and running 24 hrs a day --for home computers it's CHEAPER to add more volumes just for backup. Even with RAID 1 you will still need backup anyway).

    Cheers
    jimbo
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