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Latest Win 8.1 ISO "Breaks" System Image Functionality

  1. #41


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    Windows 8.1 x64


    My2cents original conclusion still seems to be correct in that the Winre.wim file is being populated during the install with items, and I believe mostly drivers, from a previous install. Since he did not give the specifics of how the test was conducted, I cannot duplicate.

    But on my system with the larger .wim, I mounted it and found 18 .inf files in the DriverStore\FileRespository folder. They were all dated after the majority of the files, and some of those even seemed to be updated versions, which meant there were basically two version of that same .inf.

    I checked the new files, and although I don't know what they were all for, I noticed a sai1708.inf file which I believe is a component for my Saitek keyboard or mouse. This file is not in the smaller version on the same machine and since I have not yet loaded those drivers, it is not in the current Windows\inf folder. There were others, like nvstusb.inf which would seem to be for a Nividia chipset I do not have.

    If you take just the FileRespository directory and the WinSxS directory, it appears those two account for around 50-55 MB of increase in the Winre.wim on my system. If the file is being modified during the install to add particular items for your system, I see no way to stop it and installing over a prior install will more than likely result in a larger working version.

    But since the problem does occur, without doubt, Microsoft should do something to increase the size of the Recovery partition for new installs.

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  2. #42


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    ME, XP,Vista,Win7,Win8,Win8.1


    Hi Saltgrass

    All tests in post 40 are with the same Motherboard & hardware.
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  3. #43


    Posts : 2,191
    Windows 8.1


    Just for the record, I did a clean Legacy install and the 8.1 System Imaging creation "and restoral" processes work without issue on my rig. Apparently, there is now adequate space available for the shadow volume copy process to function properly. Still get a few event logs but they are NA relative to the effectiveness of the process in general.

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  4. #44


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    Windows 8.1 x64


    As far as Legacy installs, they start with a larger partition for the Recovery files, which is 350 MB already. In that partition, they will have boot files that are around 20-21 MBs and the Recovery files which are normally 220-223 MBs.

    In order to have the 50 MBs of free space, considering the room already used, the Winre.wim file cannot go above 280 MBs, if my math is correct.

    350-50-20-220=60
    220+60=280

    These numbers are estimates based on my system. But since my file was 275 MB, you might see it is not far from breaking the limit of Legacy installs also.
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  5. #45


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    Windows 8.1


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    UPDATE: Mine works fine without a workaround.
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  6. #46


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    ME, XP,Vista,Win7,Win8,Win8.1


    Legacy Install.

    Windows 8.1.1 Issue Still (System Image Backup) - Microsoft Community

    Cant backup 8.1 using system image backup! Error 0x80780119, Cant - Microsoft Community

    Quote Originally Posted by Microsoft Support Engineer
    Hi,





    The error message shows that there is no space to create the volume shadow copy on the storage location.



    You need to create another partition on the hard disk, and then perform a backup.



    If you are logged in as an administrator, you can repartition your hard disk by using the Shrink feature in Disk Management. You can shrink an existing partition or volume to create unallocated disk space, from which you can create a new partition or volume. (Note that the terms partition and volume are often used interchangeably.)

    1.
    Open Computer Management by holding Windows key and r. In the run box type Diskmgmt.msc

    2.
    In the left pane, under Storage, click Disk Management.

    3.
    Right-click the volume you want to shrink, and then click Shrink Volume.

    4.
    Follow the instructions.
    Well YES!!!!!!!! (of 400mb)
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  7. #47


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    Updating to Windows 8.1 MAY DESTROY your computer!!!

    Some OEM manufacturer's PC's may have the same problem.

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    1) Shrink C:/

    2) Extend Recovery Partition.

    I used Paragon 12 Pro.

    PARAGON Software Group - partition manager, drive backup, hard disk partitioning


    Free Paragon software:
    Free license software - free backup, partition freeware & data recovery

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  8. #48


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    Windows 8.1 x64


    Theog, I saw the same result when I did a Windows Store update on a Windows 8 system that already had a 500 MB recovery partition. It created the 350 MB partition and left the 500 MB one alone.

    But this may not be just about backup imaging. Many folks are complaining they cannot reset their updated Windows 8.1 systems back to factory specs. If you were to reset and OEM system, I would assume it would revert to 8.0 because that is the only image it has to use. Since Microsoft is not releasing the .iso, there are no source files to do Refreshes or Resets on an upgraded 8.1 system, so being able to reset to Windows 8 would need to be available.

    So perhaps adding the extra partition allows OEM Factory Reset utilities to complete the Factory Reset back to 8.0. If the original Recovery Tools Partition had been overwritten, it may no longer function in that capacity. But someone with an OEM system would have to check. I was able to reset my Faux OEM system back to Windows 8 using the Reset option and the image of Windows 8 I had created.
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  9. #49


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    Hi Saltgrass

    OEM screenshots.


    You would need to use the OEM Recovery disks.

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  10. #50


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    8.1 WMC


    Quote Originally Posted by theog View Post
    Workround 3 Full Version.

    How to clean install Windows 8.1 & have Windows backup working, UEFI mode install.

    Using Windows 8 Partitioning layout.

    To clean install:
    1) Clean the HD Drive, using Step one in this tutorial
    SSD / HDD : Optimize for Windows Reinstallation - Windows 7 Help Forums



    diskpart
    select disk 0
    clean
    convert gpt
    create partition primary size=300 (change to 400)
    format quick fs=ntfs label="Windows RE tools"
    set id="de94bba4-06d1-4d40-a16a-bfd50179d6ac"
    assign letter="T"
    create partition efi size=100
    format quick fs=fat32 label="System"
    assign letter="S"
    create partition msr size=128
    create partition primary
    format quick fs=ntfs label="Windows"
    assign letter="W"

    For Partitions.
    Attachment 30268

    For SET ID for Partition 1
    Attachment 30269

    2)UEFI (Unified Extensible Firmware Interface) - Install Windows 8 with
    Thanks for this write up. I plan to try this soon.
    One question - after I complete all the partitioning in your first step, do I reboot and follow the directions in step 2? I assume I skip section 6 (delete the partitions).
    Thanks,
    Mike
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