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Latest Win 8.1 ISO "Breaks" System Image Functionality

  1. #31


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    ME, XP,Vista,Win7,Win8,Win8.1

    Workround 3


    Workround 3

    Before Restore.

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    After Restore.

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    With a 400mb Recovery tool partition.
    Backup working, but when Restoring the image, using USB Pen Drive the restore would like to format the USB Pen Drive.
    Restore can only be done using the DVD.

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  2. #32


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    Windows 8.1 x64


    I went ahead and changed the partitions so I could image my system. Up until that time, I was getting the space error but after the change the system image was made with no problems.

    As Theog points out, a partition size larger that 350 MB should be fine and I went back to my 500 MB one and it re-imaged fine.

    Also, you can use a Flash Drive to re-image, but you have to make sure and exclude the drive from the ones to be formatted. A DVD would be safer in this regard.

    The way I changed my partitions was with Partition Wizard and it is a dangerous process, so beware if you choose to do this.

    First, I like to make sure the drive you are changing the partitions on, has no unallocated space. This is because restoring the MSR partition for the UEFI installs needs to go in the correct place.

    From Partition Wizard, you need to do four things.

    Delete the MSR partition,
    Resize/Move the OS partition over the amount of space you need,
    move the EFI partition over,
    and then resize the Recovery Partition to what you want.

    You should end up with the partitions in order and the correct size with 128 MBs of unallocated space just before the OS partition for the MSR partition.

    I like to apply each action as I do them and not wait and do them all at once, but that is up to you. I also like to stay away from moving the leading edge of the first partition, since it needs to stay where it is.

    How you choose to accomplish these procedures is up to you, but Partition Wizard has an "Extend" option which will make the Recovery partition larger and at the same time move the EFI partition over. Just remember, nothing is changed until you apply the change. Make sure and check so there are no procedures that still need to be applied before you reboot.

    Once you are done with Partition Wizard, you can boot back into Windows and use the Administrative Command prompt and Diskpart to create the MSR partition in the unallocated space you left in Partition Wizard for this purpose. If there is unallocated space on the drive, other than the 128 MB, the partition might be put there in error.

    Diskpart
    list disk
    select disk 0 <- if 0 is the correct disk number
    create par MSR
    Exit

    C:\WINDOWS\system32>diskpart

    Microsoft DiskPart version 6.3.9600

    Copyright (C) 1999-2013 Microsoft Corporation.
    On computer: Yours

    DISKPART> list disk

    Disk ### Status Size Free Dyn Gpt
    -------- ------------- ------- ------- --- ---
    Disk 0 Online 298 GB 130 MB *

    DISKPART> sel disk 0

    Disk 0 is now the selected disk.

    DISKPART> create par MSR

    DiskPart succeeded in creating the specified partition.

    DISKPART> lis par

    Partition ### Type Size Offset
    ------------- ---------------- ------- -------
    Partition 1 Recovery 500 MB 1024 KB
    Partition 2 System 100 MB 502 MB
    * Partition 3 Reserved 128 MB 602 MB
    Partition 4 Primary 128 GB 730 MB
    Partition 5 Primary 168 GB 129 GB

    DISKPART> exit

    Leaving DiskPart...
    Now you should be ready to go.
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  3. #33


    bangalore
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    Windows 8.1 professional x64 + WMC


    My computer does not have UEFI . I have upgraded 8.1 through store and I have downloaded the 8.1 iso just in case. Therefore my computer is unaffected by this error after the an clean install with 8.1 GA iso is done rite?
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  4. #34


    Posts : 25
    Windows 8.1 Pro x64


    If you are using legacy boot, then your system won't be affected that I've seen. I've tried both UEFI and legacy boot on mine and the latter works without an issue. I just prefer UEFI.
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  5. #35


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    Quote Originally Posted by bagavan View Post
    My computer does not have UEFI . I have upgraded 8.1 through store and I have downloaded the 8.1 iso just in case. Therefore my computer is unaffected by this error after the an clean install with 8.1 GA iso is done rite?
    Quote Originally Posted by amrobx View Post
    If you are using legacy boot, then your system won't be affected that I've seen. I've tried both UEFI and legacy boot on mine and the latter works without an issue. I just prefer UEFI.
    It has now been reported on some web sites, that the problem is also on Legacy mode installs with 350mb System Partition is to small.
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  6. #36


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    Workround 3 Full Version.


    Workround 3 Full Version.

    How to clean install Windows 8.1 & have Windows backup working, UEFI mode install.

    Using Windows 8 Partitioning layout.

    To clean install:
    1) Clean the HD Drive, using Step one in this tutorial
    SSD / HDD : Optimize for Windows Reinstallation - Windows 7 Help Forums



    diskpart
    select disk 0
    clean
    convert gpt
    create partition primary size=300 (change to 400)
    format quick fs=ntfs label="Windows RE tools"
    set id="de94bba4-06d1-4d40-a16a-bfd50179d6ac"
    assign letter="T"
    create partition efi size=100
    format quick fs=fat32 label="System"
    assign letter="S"
    create partition msr size=128
    create partition primary
    format quick fs=ntfs label="Windows"
    assign letter="W"

    For Partitions.
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    For SET ID for Partition 1
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    2)UEFI (Unified Extensible Firmware Interface) - Install Windows 8 with
    Last edited by theog; 27 Oct 2013 at 15:53.
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  7. #37


    Posts : 25
    Windows 8.1 Pro x64


    Quote Originally Posted by theog View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by bagavan View Post
    My computer does not have UEFI . I have upgraded 8.1 through store and I have downloaded the 8.1 iso just in case. Therefore my computer is unaffected by this error after the an clean install with 8.1 GA iso is done rite?
    Quote Originally Posted by amrobx View Post
    If you are using legacy boot, then your system won't be affected that I've seen. I've tried both UEFI and legacy boot on mine and the latter works without an issue. I just prefer UEFI.
    It has now been reported on some web sites, that the problem is also on Legacy mode installs with 350mb System Partition is to small.
    Interesting. I haven't run into this issue using legacy mode on 3 different systems--2 clean installs, 1 upgrade. I wonder why it is occurring for some people in legacy mode? Sounds like the problem is even more pervasive than originally thought and it doesn't sound like something that will be fixed by Microsoft.


    Theog, thanks for the full workaround using Windows 8 partitions. I will likely be using that for the time being.
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  8. #38


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    Legacy mode workround


    How to clean install Windows 8.1 & have Windows backup working. Legacy mode install.

    To clean install:
    1) Clean the HD Drive, using Step one in this tutorial:
    SSD / HDD : Optimize for Windows Reinstallation - Windows 7 Help Forums

    list disk
    select disk 0
    clean
    create partition primary size=400
    select partition 1
    active
    format quick fs=ntfs label="Windows RE tools"
    set id=27
    create partition primary
    format quick fs=ntfs label="Windows"

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    2) Clean Install - Windows 8

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  9. #39


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    Legacy mode install, already installed.


    Legacy mode install, already installed.

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    1) Shrink C:/

    2) Extend Recovery Partition.

    I used Paragon 12 Pro.

    PARAGON Software Group - partition manager, drive backup, hard disk partitioning

    Free Paragon software:
    Free license software - free backup, partition freeware & data recovery

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  10. #40


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    Windows 8.1 Retail DVD UEFI install issues

    Quote Originally Posted by Saltgrass
    I just got through doing a really clean install on my system using the Retail DVD as a source for the update. I am in the process of loading drivers on my system, such as the chipset and Intel ones. Whether this is necessary, not sure, but it does change some of the indications in Device Manger.

    If Theog is reading this, my Winre.wim file was only 223 MB after the install, no need for a larger partition, System Imaging works.
    Test on UEFI mode install.

    Winre.wim size

    Windows 8.1 RTM (TechNet) = 210.67

    Windows 8.1 GA (Upgrade Download) = 238.76

    Windows 8.1, Windows Store = 253.38

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    Windows 8 System image.

    Restore with

    Windows 8 WinRE = YES.

    Windows 8.1 WinRE RTM = NO

    Windows 8.1 WinRE GA = NO




    Windows 8.1 RTM System image.

    Restore with

    Windows 8 WinRE = NO

    Windows 8.1 WinRE RTM = YES

    Windows 8.1 WinRE GA = YES



    Windows 8.1 GA System image.(with 400 partition)

    Restore with

    Windows 8 WinRE = NO

    Windows 8.1 WinRE RTM = YES

    Windows 8.1 WinRE GA = YES
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