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System Image Backup & SecureBoot isn't configured correct

  1. #11


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    Windows 8.1 x64


    I found out some more info after testing. Using a Recovery partition larger than 350 MB may result in a problem since the Imaging utility seems to be limited to a 350 MB recovery partition. On my system using 500 MB, when I re-imaged, the 500 MB partition was restored, but a new 350 MB partition was created and used for the Recovery scenario.Disregard, the small partition must have been on the drive prior and I did not notice it. Subsequent tests show larger partitions (>350 MB) will work.

    It also seems the Winre.wim file is not a set size. Not sure exactly what is changing its size, but when you talk to your folks, ask them if you could replace the Winre.wim file with a smaller version. I am currently seeing those files anywhere from 200 MB to 280 MB, depending on the install.

    Maybe someone in the forum knows why the size changes...
    Last edited by Saltgrass; 26 Oct 2013 at 03:08.

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  2. #12


    Posts : 17
    Windows 8.1 Pro - 64 bit


    Quote Originally Posted by Saltgrass View Post
    It also seems the Winre.wim file is not a set size. Not sure exactly what is changing its size, but when you talk to your folks, ask them if you could replace the Winre.wim file with a smaller version. I am currently seeing those files anywhere from 200 MB to 280 MB, depending on the install.
    Thank you for your comments. I am going to be away for most of today and all of tomorrow. So I expect that the computer manufacturer and I will tackle my problem some time next week.
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  3. #13


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    Windows 8.1 Pro - 64 bit


    I have come to the conclusion that I am going to do a reinstall, probably in January. Neither the computer manufacturer technician had much confidence in finding an easy solution, other than starting fresh.

    I want to proceed directly to Windows 8.1, skipping over Windows 8, when I do the reinstall. I haven't discussed starting with Windows 8.1 with the computer technician. I am assuming that its fine. Rather than starting with the Windows 8 CD, I will start with a Windows 8.1 CD.

    Here are some key threads that I have found on that internet that seem to allow Windows 8 users to create a bootable Windows 8.1 disk.


    1. http://winsupersite.com/windows-8/wi...-8-product-key (Download Win 8.1 with Win 8 key)
    2. Installing Windows 8.1 (or 8) without a product key Medo's Home Page (Getting Win 8.1 to run with Win 8 key)
    3. Questions about adding a "ei.cfg" file to Windows 8 ISOs (Configure ei.cfg file)


    As far as I can tell, this is a legitimate process and not a hack. Moreover, I have an OEM installed Windows 8 version on my pc. So I will likely need to tell the ei.cfg file that it is an OEM install. I will get more assistance from the computer manufacturer when it comes to completing the reinstall.

    If anyone has words of guidance, I would appreciate reading your comments.
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  4. #14


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    Windows 8.1 x64


    I have moved the partitions on several installs so far and now have a 500 MB recovery partition. So, if you are going to reinstall anyway, you could try.

    I just did a clean install the other day using a Full Retail DVD, which should be the same thing as the .iso you are referring to. I used the common key to boot 8.1, then removed all the partitions on the drive and created a new one for the install. Because there were no longer any prior files, the install went as normal and created the same 300 MB Recovery partition, but the Winre.wim file was smaller and did not cause problems.

    As far as keeping any warranty, that certainly has to be up to you and your manufacturer. When you explained the problem, did they understand the situation? If not, tell them the file is increasing in size during the install if prior drivers and perhaps other types of files are present at the time of the install. A clean install results in a smaller and workable file.
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  5. #15


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    Windows 8.1 Pro - 64 bit


    Quote Originally Posted by Saltgrass View Post
    As far as keeping any warranty, that certainly has to be up to you and your manufacturer. When you explained the problem, did they understand the situation? If not, tell them the file is increasing in size during the install if prior drivers and perhaps other types of files are present at the time of the install. A clean install results in a smaller and workable file.
    You have two questions in here. Let's deal with the question of did they understand the problem. Yes, they understood my exact problem. The cold, hard, unfortunate reality is that not all upgrades proceed smoothly. As to why I was affected, they don't know. He said I could call Microsoft, but it's solution would be the same, "start fresh." I am free to try whatever I want to try, but the safest and surest route is the reinstall.

    As far as warranty is concerned, none of what I am doing will affect the warranty. It isn't as though I am modifying the motherboard or something similar. I am simply starting over. I haven't discussed the proceeding directly to Windows 8.1 rather than reinstalling 8 and then upgrading to 8.1. But that should have no effect.

    Let's say in two years, Windows 9 is released. I could go and purchase Windows 9 and install it. That surely wouldn't void the warranty. However, if I had problems with Windows 9, that would be my issue and not theirs.

    Quote Originally Posted by Saltgrass View Post
    I just did a clean install the other day using a Full Retail DVD, which should be the same thing as the .iso you are referring to. I used the common key to boot 8.1, then removed all the partitions on the drive and created a new one for the install. Because there were no longer any prior files, the install went as normal and created the same 300 MB Recovery partition, but the Winre.wim file was smaller and did not cause problems.
    Putting your steps into my own words, it seems as though you used your Windows 8.1 disk to start the process, completely reformat the drive, wiping away the prior partitions, and then let Windows 8.1 create its own new partitions. Is that correct?
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  6. #16


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    Windows 8.1 x64


    Quote Originally Posted by Stecyk View Post
    Putting your steps into my own words, it seems as though you used your Windows 8.1 disk to start the process, completely reformat the drive, wiping away the prior partitions, and then let Windows 8.1 create its own new partitions. Is that correct?
    Yes, I booted to my 8.1 DVD and removed(deleted) the prior partitions (Small Recovery, EFI, OS) on the partitions dialog and made a new one for the install and Windows created the additional partitions it needs in that space. OEM systems can have partitions you may not want to remove, so be careful. If you were to have some type of Special Tools partition, removing it might cause problems if something goes wrong. There will be no rolling back from this type of procedure.

    This is done during the install process if you have an Upgrade version of Windows 8. If you wipe the system first and then install, the Windows 8 Upgrade key will not work to activate, since the prior OS would be gone.

    Again, I used the General License key which is available on this site, and then the Windows 8 key to activate later.

    If anyone feels I am explaining the process incorrectly, hopefully they will bring it to our attention.

    Please ask if you have questions.
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  7. #17


    Posts : 17
    Windows 8.1 Pro - 64 bit


    Thank you Saltgrass for your comments. When I spoke with the technician, we discussed that I could purchase from Microsoft a Windows 8.1 replacement CD/DVD. Although I have Windows 8, Microsoft, apparently, allows users to purchase a replacement CD/DVD with the latest edition. That is, Windows 8 users can obtain a Windows 8.1 disk.

    I called Microsoft and spoke to several departments. After explaining my situation in great detail, the first person that I spoke to suggested that I go to Wal-Mart and purchase a new version of Windows 8.1.

    A few transfers later, I learned that Windows 8.1 CD/DVD are not available yet, but should be available on November 15th and later. So I will call back then and order the CD/DVD for January's installation.

    I have never proceeded down this path before. Are there any potential pitfalls that you can see in my approach thus far?
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  8. #18


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    Windows 8.1 x64


    When I do something like this, I like to make sure I am covered in case of problems. Which means backup all your personal files, have a way to reinstall Windows 8 if something goes wrong, so you can try again.

    If you are on an OEM system, do you have access to the actual install key, and is it a Upgrade key or a Retail key. That will make a difference how you install the new OS.

    I keep a very minimal Windows 8 system for testing so I can mess with it when I want. If it breaks, I just reimage. If you are dealing with your primary system and have a lot of data that is important, you may have additional considerations, plus the relationship you have with your vendor.
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  9. #19


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    Windows 8.1 Pro - 64 bit


    Quote Originally Posted by Saltgrass View Post
    When I do something like this, I like to make sure I am covered in case of problems. Which means backup all your personal files, have a way to reinstall Windows 8 if something goes wrong, so you can try again.
    All personal files are on separate drives. C drive is operating system and software. My two other drives hold my data files.

    Quote Originally Posted by Saltgrass View Post
    If you are on an OEM system, do you have access to the actual install key, and is it a Upgrade key or a Retail key. That will make a difference how you install the new OS.
    Yes, I had to enter the key when I first booted up the pc back in January. This key is from the OEM on an original Windows 8 pc. And, I have a Windows 8 CD/DVD from the OEM in a flimsy Windows 8 cardboard envelope. It isn't in a traditional jewel cases from days of old.

    Quote Originally Posted by Saltgrass View Post
    I keep a very minimal Windows 8 system for testing so I can mess with it when I want. If it breaks, I just reimage. If you are dealing with your primary system and have a lot of data that is important, you may have additional considerations, plus the relationship you have with your vendor.
    I am supposing (read: hoping) that when I put a new Windows 8.1 DVD from Microsoft, I can go ahead and create a fresh install on my C drive, an SSD drive. And this fresh install will recognize and accept my two physical hard drives. That is, I won't have any problems with Windows 8.1 failing to recognize or accept the other drives because of security stuff. Somehow, during the entire process, Windows will know that it is installed over an existing version and that all existing data on separate drives will be fine.
    Last edited by Stecyk; 31 Oct 2013 at 16:48.
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  10. #20


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    Windows 8.1 x64


    Do you have any Windows default folders on separate drives? I have seen some folks that have problems updating because they have moved there user profiles and possibly other things to a separate drive. But I have no experience and cannot verify.

    You should be able to disconnect the other drives and plug them back in later. It is always advisable, if you can, to disconnect other drives when doing an install. The extra drives should be seen fine, at least I have not seen you indicate anything that would make me think otherwise.

    If you have an OEM key, you may be able to install to a clean drive, I am not sure. If you had a spare drive laying around, you could test.
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