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Creating image fails - says not enough space

  1. #11


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    I no longer have that computer at my house, my friend took it back. I will be logging in to it remotely next week, I'll post back after I work on it some more. Thanks

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  2. #12


    Sloe Deth, Californicatia
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    Windows 8 Pro with Media Center/Windows 7


    Well, I just noticed that my Main Computer WAS backed up to that free space on my Media Machine. It took most of yesterday to do it, I told it to cancel but it made the backup anyway.

    I don't know why the backup could not be done on the 700 GB drive you had, because it should have gone right in there. Maybe it wasn't partitioned NTFS, or was a logical partition. I could not back up to any drive on my main system due to extreme lack of space, but using the Networked Drive, it accepted the location and made a backup.
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  3. #13


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    Windows 8 Pro Windows 8.1 Preview


    Just for the record, I do a complete system image backup to an external drive on a very consistent basis. In fact, the process automatically searches for the external drive and recommends it. Does yours work that way? If so, and the previous recommendations of others do not fix your issue, how about giving us screenshot of your exteranl drive because that's where I think the problem may be. For example, I cannot do a full system image backup to an external drive that is formatted as FAT32. Windows politely notifies me that I must backup a system image (using Win 7 recovery) to an NTFS partitioned hard drive. Maybe this information can turn on some lights for you. Anyway, just my two cents. Good luck.
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  4. #14


    Sloe Deth, Californicatia
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    Windows 8 Pro with Media Center/Windows 7


    Sometimes, and for some strange reason, some External backup drives come formatted as FAT32. It would be this way if the drives are intended for MAC/WINDOWS use. So I'll go out on a limb and agree that JustATest may have hit the nail square on the head, check that 700 GB Drive and see if it's Fat32. Let us know. I've never seen a driver larger than 500 GB pre formatted as Fat32 though.
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  5. #15


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    My external hard drive that my friend's computer would not image to is NTFS formatted. I've imaged to it before with Windows, and just yesterday I ran an image to it with another computer here.

    I logged in remotely to my friend's computer, and had him connect up his external hard drive. The image ran successfully. Not sure what the problem was where it would not image to my external HDD.
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  6. #16


    Hafnarfjörður IS
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vincenzo View Post
    I'm trying to use Windows 7 File Recovery to create an image on an external drive. When initiate the process, the app says that there is 700 GB free space on the drive, which is correct. And that it may require up to 70 GB. But when I start the process, it fails after a few seconds and says there is not enough space on the drive. I've disconnected the drive and rebooted, get the same result. The drive is a Seagate GoFlex 2 TB. Any ideas?

    Thanks
    Hi there
    that's one of the reasons why I don't LIKE the standard built in imaging programs.

    There's a little known feature that this requires called V.S.S (Volume shadowing service) and for the Windows built in imaging service to run it actually needs to have DOUBLE the space required for the image creation available -- this is IMO a HUGE limitation in using this type of software.

    You are INFINITELY better off using either a FREE product like Free Macrium or a commercial solution like Acronis / Paragon etc.
    Make a bootable copy and then do your Backups,.

    Forget about Windows imaging / backup -- probably just barely better than nothing but IMO not really fit for purpose.

    Cheers
    jimbo
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  7. #17


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    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
    Hi there
    that's one of the reasons why I don't LIKE the standard built in imaging programs.

    There's a little known feature that this requires called V.S.S (Volume shadowing service) and for the Windows built in imaging service to run it actually needs to have DOUBLE the space required for the image creation available -- this is IMO a HUGE limitation in using this type of software.

    You are INFINITELY better off using either a FREE product like Free Macrium or a commercial solution like Acronis / Paragon etc.
    Make a bootable copy and then do your Backups,.

    Forget about Windows imaging / backup -- probably just barely better than nothing but IMO not really fit for purpose.

    Cheers
    jimbo
    VSS is a great thing, because it allows to make backup without taking the system offline. First, the snapshot is taken and saved as a shadow copy, then the image of the shadow copy is created.

    And here comes the funniest part Lots of third party backup solutions employ VSS, including Macrium (proof) and Acronis (proof).

    Vadim
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  8. #18


    Sloe Deth, Californicatia
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    Windows 8 Pro with Media Center/Windows 7


    Another issue is that I just saw he was using a Goflex drive. Was it on the network when you originally tried to back up to it? GoFlex drives are supposed to be used on a LAN. Can they be attached directly?

    Anyway, I see you were able to make the backup, however you did it, I'm glad you were finally able to do it.
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  9. #19


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    it was connected via USB.
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  10. #20


    Hafnarfjörður IS
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    Linux Centos 7, W8.1, W7, W2K3 Server W10


    Quote Originally Posted by Vadikan View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
    Hi there
    that's one of the reasons why I don't LIKE the standard built in imaging programs.

    There's a little known feature that this requires called V.S.S (Volume shadowing service) and for the Windows built in imaging service to run it actually needs to have DOUBLE the space required for the image creation available -- this is IMO a HUGE limitation in using this type of software.

    You are INFINITELY better off using either a FREE product like Free Macrium or a commercial solution like Acronis / Paragon etc.
    Make a bootable copy and then do your Backups,.

    Forget about Windows imaging / backup -- probably just barely better than nothing but IMO not really fit for purpose.

    Cheers
    jimbo
    VSS is a great thing, because it allows to make backup without taking the system offline. First, the snapshot is taken and saved as a shadow copy, then the image of the shadow copy is created.

    And here comes the funniest part Lots of third party backup solutions employ VSS, including Macrium (proof) and Acronis (proof).

    Vadim
    Hi there
    some versions of acronis do NOT use VSS -- in any case some people might prefer to take an image backup via a stand alone program -- we aren't talking about backing up servers etc here. Also most of these stand alone backup / restore programs use a LINUX based OS so they most certainly won't be using the Windows VSS service.

    Note also I'm referring to taking IMAGE and DATA Backups rather than Volume / Disk copies / clones. The Acronis article mentions VSS problems when doing DISK copies which is another issue - and in any case it proves the point that there IS a problem with using VSS sometimes.

    I've NEVER had any issues with VSS using Acronis since the old Acronis Workstation right up to ATH 2012 - but I've often had problems with the built in Windows backup systems which is why I don't use it any more.

    I'm not getting into any Techno geek argument as to whether in certain cases VSS might be used or whether it's a good thing -- I merely pointed out to the OP that BECAUSE windows backup uses VSS it requires EXTRA space on disks in order too function - while some other products (often Linux based bootable stand alone versions) don't use it and therefore are not going to fail to function because lack of space . (Of course there has to be enough space to store the backup but that's another issue completely).

    I think you'll find that the built in Windows backup options are not very well regarded and most people tend to prefer using a 3rd party solution - although using ANY backup solution is usually (providing it works !!) better than NONE.

    Cheers
    jimbo
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