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How To Create a Windows 8.1 (Preview) System Image

  1. #11


    Posts : 131
    Win7-8 Dual Boot on a Commodore 64

    Image Backup from CMD and Restoration from GUI


    Quote Originally Posted by JustATest View Post
    Hi,
    That's a great idea! Please let us know how you make out.
    Not worth a crap :(
    wbadmin is not blah blah blah

    I installed 8.1 Preview, which did not include any server stuff.
    So I got this....
    Click image for larger version

    I read this....
    The cmdlets for Windows Server Backup are contained in a Windows PowerShell snap-in. Before you begin, you must install the cmdlet snap-in. (For instructions, see Install Windows Server Backup Tools (Install Windows Server Backup Tools)). Then, each time you use the cmdlets, you must add the Windows Server Backup cmdlet snap-in to the instance of Windows PowerShell that you have opened by using the following command at the command prompt: C:\PS>add-pssnapin windows.serverbackup.

    By default, Windows PowerShell modules and snap-ins are not loaded in Windows PowerShell. To start Windows PowerShell so that all of the Windows PowerShell modules and snap-ins are loaded automatically, right-click the Windows PowerShell icon in the taskbar, and then click Import all modules. In Windows Server 2008 R2, the Windows PowerShell icon is pinned to the taskbar by default. However, you must start Windows PowerShell one time to make the Import all modules task appear


    Didn't see any "Load All Modules" prompts anywhere, so I said the heck with it and tried running wbadmin
    in Administrator CMD and it took right off. It's a work in progress as I type.
    I've no idea how long the image creation will take, but will get back ASAP.

    Was QUITE worried when I got to this screen!
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    But it nabbed all images for restoration, regardless of OS. Kewl!
    Click image for larger version

    Update: Just checked CMD...Done!
    Will clock restoration times tomorrow.

    Again THANKS!
    Windunce

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  2. #12


    Posts : 1,121
    Windows 8.1 x64


    I have used the command to create backup images in Windows 8 and a clean install from the 8.1 .iso file. Both seemed to work, and I did recover a Windows 8 image.

    But when I try to use it with an updated Windows 8 to 8.1 install, I get the message below.

    The Windows Backup engine could not be contacted. Retry the operation.
    The remote procedure call failed.
    If you know a reason for that, it would help.

    But my concern right now is that the 8.1 update causes the Recovery Partition to become non-critical for image backups because it moves the recovery sequence to the C: partition. If a recovered image does not have the Recovery Partition, I seem to think the resulting install will have 300 MB of unallocated space at the beginning of the drive, which might adversely effect partition alignment.

    I was about to check the Windows Image Recovery option to see if it does in fact leave the space as unallocated, but the wbadmin command will not run for the above stated reason... I do not know how third party imaging software will handle the situation.
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  3. #13


    Posts : 1,093
    Windows 8 Pro Windows 8.1 Preview


    Hi Saltgrass,

    You are pioneering this issue and have entered uncharted waters (at least for me). However, I can only take a very uneducated guess as to what the problem might be so here goes:

    When I first tried a Win 7 to 8.1 upgrade, it worked but it maintained the original Win 7 partition structure. So, is there any chance you upgraded from Win 7 to Win 8 initially and then upgraded again to 8.1? If so, check you partition structure. If not check your partition structure any way. So, does your current partition structure match the Win 8 requirements for either a UEFI or Legacy BIOS installation?
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  4. #14


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    7/8/ubuntu/Linux Deepin


    It is still wbadmin v1.0, so the commands we used on win7 will be the same. Nothing new as far as I can tell. MS have dumped the UI is all.
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  5. #15


    Posts : 1,093
    Windows 8 Pro Windows 8.1 Preview


    Quote Originally Posted by Saltgrass View Post
    I have used the command to create backup images in Windows 8 and a clean install from the 8.1 .iso file. Both seemed to work, and I did recover a Windows 8 image.

    But when I try to use it with an updated Windows 8 to 8.1 install, I get the message below.

    The Windows Backup engine could not be contacted. Retry the operation.
    The remote procedure call failed.
    If you know a reason for that, it would help.

    But my concern right now is that the 8.1 update causes the Recovery Partition to become non-critical for image backups because it moves the recovery sequence to the C: partition. If a recovered image does not have the Recovery Partition, I seem to think the resulting install will have 300 MB of unallocated space at the beginning of the drive, which might adversely effect partition alignment.

    I was about to check the Windows Image Recovery option to see if it does in fact leave the space as unallocated, but the wbadmin command will not run for the above stated reason... I do not know how third party imaging software will handle the situation.
    Hello again Saltgrass,

    FYI, I am in the process of testing Win 8.1 backup and recovery using SysRescueCD. I used this routinely to backup and restore system images in XP and it appears to work just fine for Win 8.1 as well. The beauty of using the SysRescueCD method is that it doesn't care about OS compatibility checks. It simply does its job of backing up and restore partitions; period. Now, the only downside to using this method is that you must backup (and restore) each partition individually so I have to do a backup image twice. Once for System Reserved and again for the C Drive. Anyway, it appears to be working. I'll report back tomorrow. In the mean time, interest parties can take a peek here to learn more; however, be forewarned there is no clear cut procedure available on how to do what I am doing so if anyone is "really interested" in trying this method, I can do a write-up if necessary. See here: SystemRescueCd
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  6. #16


    Posts : 1,121
    Windows 8.1 x64


    Quote Originally Posted by JustATest View Post
    So, is there any chance you upgraded from Win 7 to Win 8 initially and then upgraded again to 8.1? If so, check you partition structure. If not check your partition structure any way. So, does your current partition structure match the Win 8 requirements for either a UEFI or Legacy BIOS installation?
    My Windows 8 install was basically a clean UEFI install. The directory structure does not change, the Recovery partition is still there, but if you check the BCD store, you can see the recoverysequence entry has been changed.

    For some reason, perhaps the update did not have the ability to write to the recovery partition, but whatever, they chose to move the Recovery image. But in doing so, they removed the "Critical" flag on the Recovery partition for imaging.

    I am still trying to see if the wbadmin utility has a problem with the updated Windows 8 to 8.1 install. If it does, possibly that will only last until the final 8.1 release. I suppose we may find out then if we will be able to do a clean install of 8.1 using the 8 License Key, without having to go through the update process.

    Thanks for the comments.
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  7. #17


    Posts : 131
    Win7-8 Dual Boot on a Commodore 64

    Back & Forth...To & Fro - The OS Merry-go-round?


    re:ply to JustaTest

    All restorations clocked in at approximately 20 minutes.
    Win 7
    Win 8
    Win Blue


    Still not sure what the problem is with Power Shell, but no reason to give it a thought
    for Administrator Command Prompt runs wbadmin flawlessly.

    If I get a chance I'll try this string for restoration from Command Prompt on initial boot.
    \\wbadmin start sysrecovery -version:03/31/2005-09:00 -backupTarget:h: -restoreAllVolumes


    As to why saltgrass got this...
    The Windows Backup engine could not be contacted. Retry the operation.
    The remote procedure call failed.

    It MAY be that he did a clean install, whereas I did the upgrade path to 'save all programs and data'
    Which may have saved wbadmin.

    Does the file wbadmin.exe exist with a clean install? Dunno :(
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  8. #18


    Posts : 1,093
    Windows 8 Pro Windows 8.1 Preview


    "Still not sure what the problem is with Power Shell, but no reason to give it a thought
    for Administrator Command Prompt runs wbadmin flawlessly."

    Did you use this?
    Attachment 24018

    "Does the file wbadmin.exe exist with a clean install?" YES
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  9. #19


    Posts : 1,093
    Windows 8 Pro Windows 8.1 Preview


    Just finished a Win 8.1 test backup and restore using Partimage on the SysRescueCD (as previously described) and that also will work where other methods may fail.
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  10. #20


    Posts : 131
    Win7-8 Dual Boot on a Commodore 64

    Fly in the ointment?


    Quote Originally Posted by JustATest View Post
    Did you use this?

    "Does the file wbadmin.exe exist with a clean install?" YES
    Yup, as noted in capture, still a no go.

    Click image for larger version

    Plus [and it ain't no biggie] when restoring from an 8 install and pointing to the Blue image
    I get an error, so I have to reboot from the Blue ISO and then choose 'Repair Computer'
    and then Blue overwrites 8Pro.

    Yet I can boot from 8 Pro Recovery Disc and downgrade back from Blue to 8 Pro.
    Go figure...ha ha.

    Bottom line, I'm sticking with native imaging [albeit non-GUI] for the foreseeable future.
    But if I have a need to image a single partition, I'll give SysRescue a whirl. THANKS AGAIN

    Windunce
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