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Suggestion on System Configuration? - Performance/Tweak

  1. #1


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    Windows 8 Enterprise 64-bit

    Suggestion on System Configuration? - Performance/Tweak


    I'll explain the story: Do not even been a week since this notebook was unfortunately "caught" in the update that results in "Boot Loop" system (search on Google and find many cases, but it seems that not all machines were affected) I was super whore and such, but as I had back up data on external storage and Cloud was alright.


    As no use crying on spilled milk (by Micro $ oft), I was looking to do the hard work to install, configure and customize a new Windows from scratch. Since my last installation and configuration of Windows was a long time, I went for a sought after and studied the alternatives for maximum system performance, and that's where the doubts come.


    I intend to do the following system:


    - UEFI Secure Boot + USB + BitLocker
    - GPT Disks
    - Active RAID in the BIOS
    - Windows 8 Enterprise x64
    - OS and programs installed on the SSD and data on HDD
    - Intel Smart Response SSD (20GB) * using this tutorial
    - Intel Rapid Start in SSD (16.5GB)
    - Not deleted the hibernation file, now I'll let mode "Fast Startup" Windows enabled
    - System Protection = off * Explained below
    - Windows 7 File Recovery (aka Automatic Backup / programmable Windows) + File History, both in HDD Docking External = on
    - Run the Disk Defrag WEI for Windows to recognize the SSD properly
    - Check and enable the case off, the SSD TRIM
    - Move the target folders "Documents, Downloads, Pictures, ..." for HDD
    - Disable things that will not use the "Turn Windows features on or off" as Windows Media Player, IE, XPS, Windows PowerShell.
    - Disable GUI Boot, and set the maximum number of CPU cores at boot


    Now start the factors still not sure:


    - Virtual Memory: is set to "automatic management by the system", therefore, 5632MB allocated in SSD
    Question: Some say to disable since it's an SSD, others say to leave on automatic, how should I proceed?


    - RAM Cache: There is a very suitable for various software tutorials, the FancyCache, and from what I read it works so that the system cache is saved to main memory (RAM) and not in the secondary (SSD), which duminui R / W SSD and greatly increases the speed R / W cache.
    Question: Really this software works in such a way, and does no harm to the PC? It seems too good to be true ...


    - Super fetch, Prefetch: This is what makes me more confused. Every site I read says something different.
    Question: What do they do in reality, and most importantly, let them enabled or not?
    - Drive Indexing: Another one that drives me crazy.
    Question: What does it do in reality, and most importantly, leave it enabled or not? [2]


    - Write Back Caching and Windows Write Caching-Buffer Flushing.
    Question: What do they do in reality, and most importantly, let them enabled or not? [3]


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    Well, I think it's "only" so if anyone can give any tips, suggestions or any help is welcome. Anything I edit the topic.


    Thank you!

    PS: I originally had posted this text on a non-US forum, and I was too busy to rewrite this in English, so I used Google translate, excuse any wrong phrase.

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  2. #2


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    Windows 8 Enterprise 64-bit


    Anyone??
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  3. #3


    Posts : 480
    Windows 8 Pro x64


    Quote Originally Posted by JCChristian View Post
    - Virtual Memory: is set to "automatic management by the system", therefore, 5632MB allocated in SSD
    Question: Some say to disable since it's an SSD, others say to leave on automatic, how should I proceed?
    Leave it on automatic unless you're tight on SSD disk space. Otherwise, you can set it smaller. The PF size may not make a difference with 16GB of RAM on board, but it depends on how much RAM you use. See "How Big Should I Make the Paging File?" at Pushing the Limits of Windows: Virtual Memory - Mark's Blog - Site Home - TechNet Blogs


    Quote Originally Posted by JCChristian View Post
    - RAM Cache: There is a very suitable for various software tutorials, the FancyCache, and from what I read it works so that the system cache is saved to main memory (RAM) and not in the secondary (SSD), which duminui R / W SSD and greatly increases the speed R / W cache.
    Question: Really this software works in such a way, and does no harm to the PC? It seems too good to be true ...
    Generally, let the Windows Memory Manager take care of... memory management, yeah. You can create a RAM cache and keep some frequently accessed files, like browser cache, but you may not notice any difference.


    Quote Originally Posted by JCChristian View Post
    - Super fetch, Prefetch: This is what makes me more confused. Every site I read says something different.
    Question: What do they do in reality, and most importantly, let them enabled or not?
    - Drive Indexing: Another one that drives me crazy.
    Question: What does it do in reality, and most importantly, leave it enabled or not? [2]
    Drive indexing is required for Windows Search. Master the search to speed up your routine actions. If you never ever use search, you don't need indexing.


    Prefetch is the old logical preferther (from XP). It works under the SuperFetch service umbrella, but otherwise has nothing to do with it. All native SupeFetch features are automatically disabled on SSDs. But if you have HDDs as well, the service will keep running to ensure Prefetch works to speed up software startup from an HDD (at least I can only see this reason behind the Microsoft's idea of keeping Prefetch on in "SSD+HDD" setups).


    Quote Originally Posted by JCChristian View Post
    - Write Back Caching and Windows Write Caching-Buffer Flushing.
    Question: What do they do in reality, and most importantly, let them enabled or not? [3]
    Is this the Policies tab in the drive properties? The explanation is right there then. Just keep the default settings.


    Quote Originally Posted by JCChristian View Post
    - OS and programs installed on the SSD and data on HDD
    - Intel Smart Response SSD (20GB) * using this tutorial
    - Intel Rapid Start in SSD (16.5GB)
    It's not clear what kind of drives you really have and how many. I hope you haven't installed the OS on the SSD meant for caching.


    Quote Originally Posted by JCChristian View Post
    - System Protection = off * Explained below
    - Disable things that will not use the "Turn Windows features on or off" as Windows Media Player, IE, XPS, Windows PowerShell.
    - Disable GUI Boot, and set the maximum number of CPU cores at boot
    Useless. Also, setting the number of CPUs in msconfig is for debugging, not for performance gains. I've seen systems become unbootable after people messed with it.
    Last edited by Vadikan; 24 Jun 2013 at 06:48.
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    All very true. There was a need for changing some of that stuff manually for older, smaller less durable SSDs and now some of that stuff lingers on as urban myth.
    All except the last one, that is. If it does not show all cores when on auto with the wrong number of cores grayed out in the box then it is wrong and you have to set it to proper core count or windows will not use all the cores. Had that happen few times, checked and proven that it is so. Also that never prevented windows from booting or running.
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    Posts : 9
    Windows 8 Enterprise 64-bit


    It's not clear what kind of drives you really have and how many. I hope you haven't installed the OS on the SSD meant for caching.
    My SSD is an OCZ Vertex 4 (256GB) - I'll use it for OS + programs + Intel Smart Cache + Intel Rapid Start. I know, by default you can't use Smart Cache on the partition that Windows is installed, but this topic has a workaround, that actually really works, I tried!

    Prove!

    Useless. Also, setting the number of CPUs in msconfig is for debugging, not for performance gains. I've seen systems become unbootable after people messed with it.
    Can be useless, but with this I get a 5 sec smaller boot time...

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    So, you guys are telling me that I don't need change Super fetch, Prefetch, Write Back Caching and Windows Write Caching-Buffer Flushing, RAM Cache, Virtual Memory, ... It's useless nowadays with newer SSD's? That simple?
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    So, you guys are telling me that I don't need change Super fetch, Prefetch, Write Back Caching and Windows Write Caching-Buffer Flushing, RAM Cache, Virtual Memory, ... It's useless nowadays with newer SSD's? That simple?
    Superfetch and Prefetch are usually disabled by the OS on systems with a reasonably fast SSD. For Write Back Caching and Windows Write Caching-Buffer Flushing look to the policies tab of the drive in question. There is more information there then we can tell you here. The system cache maintained by the OS is and always has been in RAM. You shouldn't need anything else. The need for a pagefile depends on RAM size and workload. If you have one (recommended) the SSD is the ideal place for it.
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  7. #7


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    Quote Originally Posted by LMiller7 View Post
    So, you guys are telling me that I don't need change Super fetch, Prefetch, Write Back Caching and Windows Write Caching-Buffer Flushing, RAM Cache, Virtual Memory, ... It's useless nowadays with newer SSD's? That simple?
    Superfetch and Prefetch are usually disabled by the OS on systems with a reasonably fast SSD. For Write Back Caching and Windows Write Caching-Buffer Flushing look to the policies tab of the drive in question. There is more information there then we can tell you here. The system cache maintained by the OS is and always has been in RAM. You shouldn't need anything else. The need for a pagefile depends on RAM size and workload. If you have one (recommended) the SSD is the ideal place for it.
    FancyCache do more than this, see here, and you will understand. That's why I intend to use it!
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  8. #8


    Posts : 480
    Windows 8 Pro x64


    Quote Originally Posted by JCChristian View Post
    My SSD is an OCZ Vertex 4 (256GB) - I'll use it for OS + programs + Intel Smart Cache + Intel Rapid Start. I know, by default you can't use Smart Cache on the partition that Windows is installed, but this topic has a workaround, that actually really works, I tried!

    Prove!
    Hmmm... SRT is meant for hybrid setups, when you have an HDD and a small low quality SSD that is still faster than the HDD. SRT intercepts your writes, caches them on the SSD, and then transfers them to the HDD during periods when writes are absent or small. Now replace "HDD" with "SSD" in the previous sentence to make it fit your setup.

    What I see is that whatever SRT caches would be written to your drive twice, which unnecessarily reduces your SSD lifespan. And what's the performance benefit here exactly?

    You inserted an intermediate software solution between the OS and the SSD, which introduces an additional level of complexity and a risk of data loss. You'd be better off by just letting the OS and software write to the SSD directly.
    Quote Originally Posted by JCChristian View Post

    Useless. Also, setting the number of CPUs in msconfig is for debugging, not for performance gains. I've seen systems become unbootable after people messed with it.
    Can be useless, but with this I get a 5 sec smaller boot time...
    Really? I'd like to see this

    Would you mind setting up autologon and making 6 reboots:
    3 with your manual number of processors settings
    3 with the default settings
    Then post the results of this PowerShell command:
    Code:
    Get-WinEvent -maxevents 6 -FilterHashtable @{logname="Microsoft-Windows-Diagnostics-Performance/Operational"; id=100} | fl *
    Last edited by Vadikan; 25 Jun 2013 at 06:01. Reason: typo
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  9. #9


    Posts : 9
    Windows 8 Enterprise 64-bit


    Useless. Also, setting the number of CPUs in msconfig is for debugging, not for performance gains. I've seen systems become unbootable after people messed with it.
    Can be useless, but with this I get a 5 sec smaller boot time...
    Really? I'd like to see this

    Would you mind setting up autologon and making 6 reboots:
    3 with your manual number of processors settings
    3 with the default settings
    Then post the results of this PowerShell command:
    Code:
    Get-WinEvent -maxevents 6 -FilterHashtable @{logname="Microsoft-Windows-Diagnostics-Performance/Operational"; id=100} | fl *
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    I can do it later, when I get the system totally configured, also I've already disabled PowerShell. I've other priorities. =p
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    Posts : 480
    Windows 8 Pro x64


    Quote Originally Posted by JCChristian View Post
    I can do it later, when I get the system totally configured, also I've already disabled PowerShell. I've other priorities. =p
    By observing your pursuit of the highest possible performance I've developed a strong feeling that once your system is totally configured, you'd need to do a clean install. You're making too many mistakes...
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