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    To Backup Haters - 17 Mins for restore of entire W8 system


    Hi there
    This is just a note to people who think it's too much hassle to backup their systems.

    Just recently I needed to swap from a SAMSUNG 830 128 GB SSD to the newer 840 250 GB SSD on my laptop.

    Plugging the new SSD into a USB2 (not even USB 3) slot I restored a previous system image that I'd backed up to a bog standard external passport drive. Time taken for restore -- 17 Mins for 54 GB. This system had Office, Photoshop and quite a few other applications installed.

    This laptop was only an i3 powered device but I like it because it's really portable and powerful enough for my requirements - especially when used with a decent external monitor so more powerful machines will complete the operation faster than the 17 mins mine took.

    Opened the computer and swapped the SSD's -- Booted fine first time (and faster SSD too) -- although the old one wasn't that bad either -- I'm now using the old one as my Windows to Go system !!.

    If I'd have to restore Windows again and all the applications I probably would have spent the best part of at least half a day -- certainly several hours -- plus probably some time on re-installing updates for the OS and the applications - SP1 for office 2010 contains a LOT of fixes !!! if you have to do it again.

    So there is really NO EXCUSE for anybody to avoid backing up their systems --keep the OS and applications separate from your USER DATA -- separate partitions or preferably on separate drives.

    I used Acronis 2013 but any type of decent imaging / backup software should work -- IMO it's worth paying for a decent backup solution -- the time and hassle it saves is just beyond calculation.

    I see many people trying to remove viruses / repair systems on these Forums and they get into hideous trouble because they don't take backups. ALWAYS TAKE REGULAR BACKUPS -- it's easy and quick these days and will save you endless trouble.

    Cheers
    jimbo

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    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
    Hi there
    This is just a note to people who think it's too much hassle to backup their systems.

    Just recently I needed to swap from a SAMSUNG 830 128 GB SSD to the newer 840 250 GB SSD on my laptop.

    Plugging the new SSD into a USB2 (not even USB 3) slot I restored a previous system image that I'd backed up to a bog standard external passport drive. Time taken for restore -- 17 Mins for 54 GB. This system had Office, Photoshop and quite a few other applications installed.

    This laptop was only an i3 powered device but I like it because it's really portable and powerful enough for my requirements - especially when used with a decent external monitor so more powerful machines will complete the operation faster than the 17 mins mine took.

    Opened the computer and swapped the SSD's -- Booted fine first time (and faster SSD too) -- although the old one wasn't that bad either -- I'm now using the old one as my Windows to Go system !!.

    If I'd have to restore Windows again and all the applications I probably would have spent the best part of at least half a day -- certainly several hours -- plus probably some time on re-installing updates for the OS and the applications - SP1 for office 2010 contains a LOT of fixes !!! if you have to do it again.

    So there is really NO EXCUSE for anybody to avoid backing up their systems --keep the OS and applications separate from your USER DATA -- separate partitions or preferably on separate drives.

    I used Acronis 2013 but any type of decent imaging / backup software should work -- IMO it's worth paying for a decent backup solution -- the time and hassle it saves is just beyond calculation.

    I see many people trying to remove viruses / repair systems on these Forums and they get into hideous trouble because they don't take backups. ALWAYS TAKE REGULAR BACKUPS -- it's easy and quick these days and will save you endless trouble.

    Cheers
    jimbo
    That's because you are backing up from an SSD to another SSD. It will take 10X longer or more backing up from one spinner to another.

    Thanks for the reminder. I need to use my HD "toaster" again soon.

    What do you think about the SSHD (solid state hybrid disk)?
    Last edited by fourthofjuly; 01 May 2013 at 07:19.
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    It's because he restored 50gb, not hundreds. The result of keeping data and os on separate partitions/drives.

    Of course it makes sense to do that. I expect all forum regulars do.

    Joe public mostly don't. They are not generally aware of what an image is - and they often have everything mixed up on one drive like a dog's dinner.

    When they come to a forum in trouble - they often don't have an image.

    I am amazed how many don't make an image before trying an in place upgrade to 8.

    I addition to things going wrong, the chances of them wanting to get rid of 8 when they realise how ghastly it is - are pretty big.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SIW2 View Post
    It's because he restored 50gb, not hundreds. The result of keeping data and os on separate partitions/drives.

    Of course it makes sense to do that. I expect all forum regulars do.

    Joe public mostly don't. They are not generally aware of what an image is - and they often have everything mixed up on one drive like a dog's dinner.

    When they come to a forum in trouble - they often don't have an image.

    I am amazed how many don't make an image before trying an in place upgrade to 8.

    I addition to things going wrong, the chances of them wanting to get rid of 8 when they realise how ghastly it is - are pretty big.
    Or at least people should know how to create and use system restore points, too just in case.
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    Good advice, jimbo. :thumbup:

    One of the first things taught to me by my IT Pro friend > Backup, Backup, and Backup! As you mentioned, it's a whole lot easier and faster these days.

    Coming from the old tech like floppies and older spinners is different than learning in the new tech we have nowadays. Even we start to think sometimes that it's far more reliable and nothing will go wrong. BS! Murphy's law of engineering > If anything can go wrong, it will. Computers are dual curse machines so far as this is concerned in that they have both hardware and software.

    Another thing I want to mention that I was fortunate in learning was that if a program started to act up is to save work, close everything out, and reboot. Most times a system will repair itself or rather set itself on the right course. A lot of times I read of users tampering with settings or using 3rd party fixit programs when in fact it makes it worse. A simple reboot will do.
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    Restoring backups from spinners to spinners is much faster than rebuilding from scratch and 0 effort on your part. I just migrated from a nearly full 1TB drive at work to a new 2TB drive at work. In just a couple of hours, I was moved. Meanwhile, I was doing other things to stay productive.
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    And not just backup, but ideally keep off-site backups, so in the event your house is burgled or catches fire, you won't lose the backups as well. If keeping them on-site, at very least store them in a certified water and fireproof safe.
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    The old adage applies to backups. "Backups are not for IF they are ever needed, they are for WHEN they are needed".
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    As per Jimbos reminder, I ran my "toaster" today and made a back up of my Win 8 system. 65GB at 22mins from spinner to another spinner on USB 3.0 hard drive dock. Not bad...

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    Quote Originally Posted by fourthofjuly View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
    Hi there
    This is just a note to people who think it's too much hassle to backup their systems.

    Just recently I needed to swap from a SAMSUNG 830 128 GB SSD to the newer 840 250 GB SSD on my laptop.

    Plugging the new SSD into a USB2 (not even USB 3) slot I restored a previous system image that I'd backed up to a bog standard external passport drive. Time taken for restore -- 17 Mins for 54 GB. This system had Office, Photoshop and quite a few other applications installed.

    This laptop was only an i3 powered device but I like it because it's really portable and powerful enough for my requirements - especially when used with a decent external monitor so more powerful machines will complete the operation faster than the 17 mins mine took.

    Opened the computer and swapped the SSD's -- Booted fine first time (and faster SSD too) -- although the old one wasn't that bad either -- I'm now using the old one as my Windows to Go system !!.

    If I'd have to restore Windows again and all the applications I probably would have spent the best part of at least half a day -- certainly several hours -- plus probably some time on re-installing updates for the OS and the applications - SP1 for office 2010 contains a LOT of fixes !!! if you have to do it again.

    So there is really NO EXCUSE for anybody to avoid backing up their systems --keep the OS and applications separate from your USER DATA -- separate partitions or preferably on separate drives.

    I used Acronis 2013 but any type of decent imaging / backup software should work -- IMO it's worth paying for a decent backup solution -- the time and hassle it saves is just beyond calculation.

    I see many people trying to remove viruses / repair systems on these Forums and they get into hideous trouble because they don't take backups. ALWAYS TAKE REGULAR BACKUPS -- it's easy and quick these days and will save you endless trouble.

    Cheers
    jimbo
    That's because you are backing up from an SSD to another SSD. It will take 10X longer or more backing up from one spinner to another.

    Thanks for the reminder. I need to use my HD "toaster" again soon.

    What do you think about the SSHD (solid state hybrid disk)?
    Hi there
    I'd forget Hybrids -- Pure SSD technology is where its at -- the prices are dropping fast now as they become more mainstream. Even a CRUCIAL 1 TB (950 or so GB) SSD drive can now be had for around 485 USD -- OK not cheap compared with spinners but the price will drop even for these size capacities soon. a 250GB 840 SAMSUNG SSD - probably the fastest performer available for the domestic market can be had for around 170 USD. Performance on these is just STELLAR. If you can afford the PRO version -- well I'm not sure that extra is worth it as the 840 standard version will give you probably more disk performance than your computer is capable of handling - even with eSATA slots / connections.

    @fourthofjuly

    USB3 as well is pretty fast -- remember also my restore was done from a SPINNER (USB3 )to the SSD (attached via a USB2 cable) - had it been from INTERNAL SSD to SSD it would have been a bit quicker still. You won't regret that 22 mins -- Backup might only be needed once in several months - but when you've got it you'll be really glad you've made the backup. Don't forget also to have a copy of your DATA as well - this can be done at will and doesn't have to be done in one go especially if you have seveal TB to backup - but you SHOULD make a backup at some time.

    Cheers
    jimbo
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