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Optimize Drives vs Third Party Defrag

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  1. #1


    Posts : 419
    Windows 8.1 x64

    Optimize Drives vs Third Party Defrag


    Do you use the built-in Windows Optimize Drivers (Disk Defrag) or do you use a third party product?

    If third party product, which product and why?

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  2. #2


    I saw on a forum somewhere, where the poster seemed quite knowledgeable about win8. He said to someone, whom was having difficulties with an extreme slow boot.. to never ever use a 3rd party defragger on win 8. And the reasons why, which made sense. He has a short list of major reasoning. Which I don't want to pull from my memory because its gotta be fighting words to those that use other defraggers.
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  3. #3


    bangalore
    Posts : 634
    Windows 8.1 professional x64 + WMC


    Automatic maintenance which also optimizes my drives
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  4. #4


    Sunnyvale, CA USA
    Posts : 283
    Windows 8.1 Pro with Media Center (64-bit)


    I use PerfectDisk by Raxco.

    I like the performance improvements I saw when I tested it.
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  5. #5


    I use system's Optimize service.
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  6. #6


    Hafnarfjörður IS
    Posts : 4,376
    Linux Centos 7, W8.1, W7, W2K3 Server W10


    Quote Originally Posted by LovingWindows View Post
    Do you use the built-in Windows Optimize Drivers (Disk Defrag) or do you use a third party product?

    If third party product, which product and why?
    Hi there
    in over 30 years of using various flavours of Windows (and Linux too) I have NEVER needed to defrag a drive -- and on the very rare occasions I've experimented with this stuff it didn't seem to make an IOTA of difference.

    Slow disk performance is usually due to poor HDD's. SATA 7200 RPM's are OK and of course these days with SSD's then poor disk performance can be a thing of the past.

    W8 is optimized anyway so any 3rd party defrag is really uneeded in any case.

    The only time a defrag might be necessary is when running a Virtual machine due to the way in which the "Virtual Disks" can grow - but this is usually handled within the virtual machine environment such as VMware where their own utilities are used to "defrag the virtual disks".

    If you want to re-organize your disk drives a good solution is to take an image backup using a program such as acronis, re-foirmat the drive and then restore the image.

    Unless you are doing an exact cluster by cluster restore the restored image will have all the "wasted chains" etc all removed and the data on the disk optimized.

    Cheers
    jimbo
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  7. #7


    Posts : 959
    Windows 8.1, 10


    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
    in over 30 years of using various flavours of Windows (and Linux too) I have NEVER needed to defrag a drive -- and on the very rare occasions I've experimented with this stuff it didn't seem to make an IOTA of difference.
    I'm rubbish at deleting stuff so ran for a long time with a very full HDD, in Windows XP, which didn't auto-defrag. As the anti-virus software was updating its database, it would keep having to scavenge around for space on the disk and end up with a database file in about 10,000 fragments (which of course it kept having to refer to, nearly every time I did anything on the computer). In that circumstance, defragging did make a big and noticeable difference. Another example is defragmenting the pagefile and hibernate file (which you could do in XP using Sysinternals) when they also got fragmented due to lack of space, and again this made a big difference.

    But I agree that it's probably quite rare that it makes much difference.
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    Hafnarfjörður IS
    Posts : 4,376
    Linux Centos 7, W8.1, W7, W2K3 Server W10


    Quote Originally Posted by DavidY View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
    in over 30 years of using various flavours of Windows (and Linux too) I have NEVER needed to defrag a drive -- and on the very rare occasions I've experimented with this stuff it didn't seem to make an IOTA of difference.
    I'm rubbish at deleting stuff so ran for a long time with a very full HDD, in Windows XP, which didn't auto-defrag. As the anti-virus software was updating its database, it would keep having to scavenge around for space on the disk and end up with a database file in about 10,000 fragments (which of course it kept having to refer to, nearly every time I did anything on the computer). In that circumstance, defragging did make a big and noticeable difference. Another example is defragmenting the pagefile and hibernate file (which you could do in XP using Sysinternals) when they also got fragmented due to lack of space, and again this made a big difference.

    But I agree that it's probably quite rare that it makes much difference.
    Hi there
    XP is a different ballgame -- but even there a Backup and restore would fix it -- and I think unless you were really short of RAM the paging device or data set wasn't heavily used in most cases. Note also paging was only used after the OS was booted -- so it wasn't "Persistent" between boots. It opens fresh after each boot.

    W8 has a lot better "Garbage collection" routines built in to the OS.

    However if any system is running with 95% full disks you are bound to get some sort of degradation.

    Cheers
    jimbo
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  9. #9


    I've never used a third-party defrag tool because I don't believe they offer enough (or any) advantage over the built-in defrag to justify the cost...
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  10. #10


    To my knowledge w8 has nothing to do with GC on any ssd. It is run from the FW level on the ssd.

    Maybe you are thinking of trim and it's implementation.
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