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  1. #11


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    Thanks for all you help, of course. The Startup-Options Menu shortcut is a good idea. But, unfortunately, it takes me right to an aspect of what I am trying to avoid--part of the Metro interface.

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  2. #12


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    It's going to be impossible to avoid the newer Metro UI to do an "Automatic Repair" since that is how Windows 8 does it.

    I'm not sure what the fuss is about the Windows 8 Metro UI since it's no different than how it's done in the Windows 7 UI other than a different UI to do it in.
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    No fuss. It's totally a matter of curiosity; just wondering if there is a way to do what metro does, WRT automatic repair, without invoking the Metro interface. I realize that the same thing happens using Metro vs using, for example, an OEM recovery partition under Win7.

    I guess you could classify my quest under the heading of finding the easier ways to do some things in Win8. For example, why bother to go through Metro to do a reset when you eventually have to utilize some sort of install medium anyway? For the most part, it looks to me like the easier ways to do most of the "recovery-environment" items depend more on the individual than the interface (e.g., doing a system restore may be easier for some through Metro and others through one of the older methods of getting to system restore). Automatic repair is of sort of special interest to me because, ignoring the use of an appropriate start up medium, I can't find a non-Metro way of doing Automatic repair on my older machine (i.e., I, of course, obliterated it's recovery partition long ago).

    There is another issue for me. I have no UEFI. So, I have been unable to determine what, if anything, the F keys typically do in relation to UEFI and a related OEM recovery partition (or whatever). I could always go buy an inexpensive Win8/UEFI lappy, to satisfy my curiosity, but I have resisted the temptation. There are too many computers around here. Bottom line: I think it might be useful to some to know (for purposes of idle curiosity if nothing else) if, for example, there is a magic key combination that will burgeon into a restart and the application of automatic repair--no matter how many other ways automatic repair can be accomplished (doesn't always sound so automatic does it?).

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    No worries. I just don't think there's a way around it.
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    That's what I have come to believe too. Do you know of a read that would clarify the relationships--UEFI/F keys/OEM recovery partitions? And, it would be nice if it would deal with the place of F keys in the context of UEFI in general. My searches have turned up nothing of real value. I know that one problem is that the opportunity to use them can flash by too fast to be successful in using them in some cases given Win8 boot speed, but that's about the extent of my knowledge.

    Please don't spend significant time searching for me. You have better things to do. Just let me know if you know off hand about a read.
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    The F keys should work the same way, but the timing you have to press it with UEFI is not much. You gotta be real quick.

    I'm afraid I don't know of any papers or articles to read on this as well though.
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    Ahhh. You made things way easier knowing that they should do about the same things. Just to be sure. You are saying that some F key typically will take one into the "recovery environment" as before provided an OEM recovery partition is available. right????
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    That depends on the motherboard, but with UEFI motherboards with an OEM Windows 8 PC, you would have this below instead. However, it's in the new Windows 8 Metro UI as well.

    For UEFI Firmware settings:

    Boot to Startup Options -> Troubleshoot -> Advanced options -> UEFI Firmware Settings




    For Advanced "Startup settings" (Advanced Boot Options):

    Advanced "Startup Settings" - Boot to in Windows 8



    I suppose that you could use the tutorial below to not use the new Windows 8 Metro UI at boot anymore.

    Startup Options - Enable or Disable in Windows 8
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    I see. Well, humph! As I recall, in Win7, F-whatever would get you to the recovery environment even if you could not start to Win7. Can you get to the first Metro-type screen shown above even if unable to boot into Win8. The Metro look may not be indicative. As you may recall, I started up to my 64-bit upgrade DVD yesterday. Well, all the "recovery environment" items were in Metro style.

    I am enjoying the conversation, and I'll get back a time or so if you keep going. But, we will be leaving for Xmas eve dinner soon. Merry Xmas to you. I'll check back in a few more times before going.

    PS I don't really mind going through Metro to get to, for example, automatic repair.
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  10. #20


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    Yep. You could boot to the Startup Options using OPTION THREE, OPTION FOUR, OPTION FIVE, or OPTION SIX in the tutorial below. This is all outside of Windows 8 at boot.

    Startup Options Menu - Boot to in Windows 8
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