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  1. #21


    Redmond
    Posts : 651
    Windows 8.1 x64


    I would say your experience probably stems more from upgrading than anything else. I have beaten (on purpose) Windows 8 and find it to be just as reliable as Windows 7, but upgrades are ... and always have been ... "special".

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  2. #22


    Sloe Deth, Californicatia
    Posts : 3,908
    Windows 8 Pro with Media Center/Windows 7


    When I updated Windows XP to Vista straight to 7, because I could not do an upgrade straight from XP to 7, it was the best upgrade I ever did, it was on this machine. It was stable for years, and I never had any reason to "beat" it, it is the best OS MS ever made. I never had to tweak it, although I did for my preferences, not out of need like I had to do with Windows 8.

    Windows 8 Immediate Needs, these are things that have to be done instantly or you go mad:

    1) Yamicksoft Windows 8 Manager to shut off the Lock Screen and to make it go straight to Desktop mode and Auto-Login to your Skydrive Account.

    2) Stardock Start 8 - The Start menu is a necessity and a requirement as is the Desktop, the desktop may as well be a TV with no Remote Control with NO Start Menu.

    3) I just found an app that gave me my gagdets back. These are also a necessity, at least the few gadets I have become accustomed to, as in the Aida64 desktop gadget that monitors my system.

    4) Turn the UAC control back down to 0.

    Anything else is not a requirement. So, every time I install Windows 8, and it's been about 10 times so far, I developed the process and order in which I install these things- Which I should not have to install.

    Windows 7? It was usable immediately. I did not have to install anything to give me back features that had been TAKEN AWAY. Windows 8 is basically wholly unusable until you get at least some kind of Start menu back and then you can drag out some icons to the desktop.

    The Windows 8 Apps? As a tablet OS, I would hate to have to be stuck with this, the tablet apps are all worse the the worst Apple iOS app, the ones from China that are nothing but ads. I bought several apps relative to programs I run. ALL of them do not do as advertised, or fail to run outright. Between iOS and Windows 8, iOS wins every time.

    One of the machines I installed this into had a touch-screen. So I can tell you first hand about the non-usability of the Windows 8 interface. As a Desktop PC? It's fast. As a Device OS? It's BAD.

    Anyway I think I see how to get rid of my Dot Net, I have to do it through add and remove features.

    There is a part of Dot Net 2 which is incompatible with something from the broken dot net 4 and 4.5, so I'll just take them all out and then put them back in and see what happens.

    (Edit)- I took all dot net out save for 1.1. It was pretty easy, then I removed the problem program. I added dot nets 2 through 3.5 then 4 and 4.5- Now I'm checking for any updates. The problem I always had with windows 7 was removal of these things was a brutal process- it seems they have made it easier- There were no dot net security fixes, so I either can't see them or win 8 pulled the newest versions off the net, does it do that? Maybe the cache on my PC where the dot net components are stored is corrupt- my final fix is always the in-Place install.

    With no dot net updates, ill reinstall the program and see if it works.

    (Edit)-Nope, didn't work. Windows 8 removes its version of dot net, but probably does not touch what was left over from 7. So I'll take it out again, I'll have to go in and delete the leftovers manually, if I can find them.

    You LUA program identified a dot net module called dw20 - it is part of dot net 2.
    Last edited by XweAponX; 29 Mar 2013 at 14:44.
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  3. #23


    Redmond
    Posts : 651
    Windows 8.1 x64


    1. Personal preference, but it could be done I suppose. Not very secure, though.

    2. The start "Screen" is, at least in my opinion, superior to a desktop cascading menu in almost every way - until it gets full, and then the start screen has the same limitations as the old Win9x start menu (that could cascade into multiple columns forever).

    3. I never got into gadgets, and given the horribly insecure platform to run them, I am sort of glad I didn't.

    4. AppContainer for modern applications requires UAC, so giving a way to turn it off outside the registry actually makes sense - otherwise the vast majority of people who did that would find their modern/metro/whatever apps would stop working and not know why.
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  4. #24


    Sloe Deth, Californicatia
    Posts : 3,908
    Windows 8 Pro with Media Center/Windows 7


    I don't have anyone else in my house that may use my system, so I'm not worried about anyone getting in. Sometimes I do maintenance that requires 2, 3, up to 6 reboots in a row, and I want the system to go straight to the desktop. I do have accounts in systems elsewhere, where of course I don't use that feature. But when I am working on those systems, I set it up like this one to bypass the lockscreen and log in automatically, until I'm done, then I change it back. I always tell my customers, remove passwords or I'll do it for them, because of this same issue: I put the passwords back in when I am done. I can do this in Windows XP, Vista and 7, but where Windows 8 is different, it uses your Skydrive account. I've made local accounts in all of my machines in case of no internet connection.

    I understand why people got skittish about Gadgets, some of them turned out to be horrendous viruses. The only ones I am interested in are those that monitor my system, like the one that comes with Aida64.

    With Windows 8 you can NOT shut off the UAC, but you can put it down to zero. I'm totally unimpressed with this "Metro" stuff.

    Windows 8, as a desktop, is superior in speed and security to Windows 7- I'm actually impressed. But trying to put the Metro stuff in there confuses the OS, and confuses the user. Apple made iOS for Tablet and Phone Only applications, Microsoft needs to do the same thing, not combine the two into one OS. And now the Store on Windows 8 is being populated with the same kind of worthless spamgames that you find in iOS, Metro gives these developers an opening into Windows they never had before. It's not really good for business, and it's not good for people who need the Desktop to work the way it worked before.

    The Moment Microsoft totally removes the Desktop from any future OS, is the day I will move to Apple for good.

    But those things are preferences, except for access to the desktop with a valid Start Menu. As long as there is a Desktop in Windows and apps that use it while in that mode, I will put my start menu back in. See, Vista squished all the links in to the start menu in one little area, but still allowed you to expand out if you wanted. Windows 7 gave you no choice. But just because the Windows 7 Start menu is inconvenient, does not mean it is something you can just delete from the OS, it's a requirement.

    What Microsoft and Apple too forget, is that there are people who still do not have any kind of internet connection. Or, situations where the system must not be connected, a stand alone system. It's not really rare, either. I set up Informational Databases onto machines that stand alone in a reference library, and they cannot ever be connected, for Privacy's sake.

    I haven't checked - Is there any version of Windows 8 that has the Metro interface totally gone? The last disk I got has a number of different versions on it, but I've just been using the Pro and Pro with Media Center. If there is a version with Metro gone, that's the version I want. In a way, I'm with Metro apps the way you are with Sidebar gadgets - I hate em. I have a bunch of them, but I do not find them useful, and when promising usefulness, they stop way short.
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  5. #25


    Sloe Deth, Californicatia
    Posts : 3,908
    Windows 8 Pro with Media Center/Windows 7


    Thinix RetroUI - Looks good, has the ability to basically disable Metro. But it also installs a Start Menu, and I'm already using Start8.

    Anyway, I've tried removing all of the dot net from this installation, and putting it back in and I still can't run this one program- I know it's a conflict between the dot net 4.5 that was in 7 and the dot net native in 8. You are right, all of the problems I've been having on this one machine are inherited from my Windows 7 Installation. I'll try an in-place install, if I can do it, if the disk I have lets me do it. I already tried upgrading this workstation to Windows 8 with Media Center and it will not allow me to do that, the only thing I can do is buy Media Center. So I'll try an In Place Install and see if that fixes my elevation problem.
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