unable to view xp computers in network view on 8.1 pc

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Dear all - ok I am a forum virgin so go easy on me. We have a 10 pc'c 6 of which run XP Pro two of which run Win7 and two run Win 8.1. I have set us all up as a workgroup with homegroup disabled on the two win8 pc's. I have set profiles on the win7 and win8 all to have shared file on, discover devices on and in the advanced sharing set up all setting are share file on/password off etc. All is fine except one of the win8 pc's simply will not show any of the other pc's within the workgroup other than the other win8 pc. I have trudged and trudged to see if I can find a solution without success. Any help or comments would be greatly appreciated. Thank You:confused:
 

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Have you tried setting up a different user profile on the Windows 8 machine with the problem?

Try setting up a standard account on the problem machine then see if can see the other machines. This will tell if you the current user profile is corrupted.
 

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Thanks for response chev65. The PC has a guest account as standard would that be ok to trial as you suggest?Thanks
 

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Hi chev65 sorry for delay have been tied up on a project all week have not had the opportunity to try the user account until today. I have created a new user and set them as an administrator. checked that all setting for sharing are as they should and....hey presto...its exactly the same. You can see the other windows 8 pc but none of the others on the network. I am sure that it is just a simple setting that needs changing somewhere but dammed if I can find it!
 

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Have the XP machines been updated to SP3?

There could also be a problem with the user account on this Windows 8 PC, try setting up another user account and see if the other machines show up.
 
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All XP PC's are on SP3. I created a new user account and situation is same. I can view all PC's from my PC which is also a windows 8. The other windows 8 PC that cannot see the XP PC's shows my windows 8 PC and two windows 7 pc but not the XP's. The windows 7 PC's see all PC in workgroup as well.
Hope that makes sense??
 

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Try making the following registry adjustment on the Windows 8 machine with the problem. This adjustment has worked in the past with Windows 7 machines but I'm not completely sure why it's only required on certain machines.

Solution is really easy just modify one key in registry:
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Policies\System
create or modify 32-bit DWORD: LocalAccountTokenFilterPolicy
set the value to: 1
 

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Hi chev65 - have changed setting to 1 - sorry no different. The directory path is slightly different - I assume because windows 7 and I am working on a windows 8? The path I have is the same apart from it says FilterAdministrationToken not LocalAccountTokenFilterPolicy?
 

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Hi chev65 - have changed setting to 1 - sorry no different. The directory path is slightly different - I assume because windows 7 and I am working on a windows 8? The path I have is the same apart from it says FilterAdministrationToken not LocalAccountTokenFilterPolicy?

If you don't have the registry key present then you need to create the key "create or modify 32-bit DWORD: LocalAccountTokenFilterPolicy"
 

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Looking at the registry on my win8 PC which can see all workgroup fine the it is the same as that on the win8 PC that cannot. I will create the registry key as suggested and see what happens. For information - If I search for a specific PC within the workgroup in "search this PC" box it does find them and will let you access them however when you close and re-open they no longer show in the network list of PC's.
 

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Hi Chev65 I have created the key as advised........still the same. I have looked at every perceivable setting within the sharing capabilities and cannot find any reason at all why the win8 PC should not see the others as mine does.
All other PC's can see and access the win8 PC without any difficulty.
Frustration..............................................:mad:
 
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Does the machine with the problem have a password associated with the User account?

Have you tried adding the credentials from the other machines to the Credential manager via the Control Panel, try adding the credentials from the other machines to the "Windows Credentials".
 

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OK the windows credentials are exactly the same on my PC (that functions fine) and the PC that isn't. There are no passwords on any of the XP machines. Let us call the PC's "good" and "bad".
Just to make sure that I have explained myself properly I attach a screen image of the network explorer for both win8 PC's where you can see that one shows all the workgroup PC's and the other doesn't. I can ping all workgroups from the "bad" win8 no problem. I simply cannot get it to show any of the XP machines. I have checked once again that the "bad" PC shows the correct workgroup in system and that all share settings are as I believe they should be.
I am at my wits end....................... Network screen shot 1.jpgNetwork screen 2.jpg
 

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I think I mentioned this earlier but this appears to be a User account problem.

When you click on the Network file it's only supposed to say "Network" at the top of the screen, this shows in your other screen shot and it's the same way on my own PC's.

In your case, rather than showing "Network" it's showing a user name "Admin2" followed by Network. I'm not completely sure how this could happen but it's safe to say that the User account wasn't set up properly.

The only way to fix this is to create a new User account "Admin or Standard"
 

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    8GB Gskill DDR2 1200Mhz
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    GTX-480
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    Asus D2 Xonar
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The reason it shows \\Admin2 is simply because I was searching for the PC named Admin2 in our workgroup (if you look to the left of the screen shot you will see it in the search box). When opened it shows Network as you would expect.
Yes you did mention in previous posts regarding setting up new user account and I have tried this. the PC behaves exactly the same. I am pretty confident that I have set the user account up properly, I did exact same as I did with my PC and mine is operating fine.
 

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So you didn't notice that it's not showing any PC's on the main page at all, no media devices...no nothing?

And why would anyone need to use search for something that is right there on the taskbar? Why not just show the screen shot from the actual Network page via the taskbar?

You can clearly see that not only are the other machines not showing up but nothing is showing up at all on that Network page, it's completely blank so unless there is some file corruption or a problem with the user name or the actual network "router set up" I don't see how this problem could occur.

Do you have any type of third party anti virus or firewall installed? Have you run any system file integrity scan's like sfc /scannow or the DISM repair command?

Have you tried using a User name that doesn't have Admin in the name?
 

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    8GB Gskill DDR2 1200Mhz
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    GTX-480
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With due respect the idea was simply to confirm that we were discussing the same thing I did not consider it that important where the screen shot was taken. As far as your comment "And why would anyone need to use search for something that is right there on the taskbar? Why not just show the screen shot from the actual Network page via the taskbar?" this appears to be a common fix as shown on many forums. If it were a problem with the router or network then surely other PC's would have issues?
Only running windows firewall and I have even tried it with this turned off. No I have not ran any of the scans etc that you mention.
I am happy to try anything. Why would the user name on this PC have to be different? All of our PC's are named Admin1, Admin2, Admin3 and so on up to Admin6. Never had any problems before.
I fear that the PC may be corrupt.
 

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With due respect the idea was simply to confirm that we were discussing the same thing I did not consider it that important where the screen shot was taken. As far as your comment "And why would anyone need to use search for something that is right there on the taskbar? Why not just show the screen shot from the actual Network page via the taskbar?" this appears to be a common fix as shown on many forums. If it were a problem with the router or network then surely other PC's would have issues?
Only running windows firewall and I have even tried it with this turned off. No I have not ran any of the scans etc that you mention.
I am happy to try anything. Why would the user name on this PC have to be different? All of our PC's are named Admin1, Admin2, Admin3 and so on up to Admin6. Never had any problems before.
I fear that the PC may be corrupt.

I'm not so sure that Windows 8 can tell the difference between user names with only 1 number difference in the user name so that was my thinking behind having a user name that didn't have Admin in the name.

And depending on where the Win 8 machine is located on the network it could be picking up a DHCP IP from a secondary router or access point that doesn't have the DHCP turned off. Or the secondary router might not be plugged into the LAN port as is should be.
This type of problem happens more often than you would think and when I can't even see the network and don't know how many routers might be involved then I can only assume this is a possibility but I'll leave it up to you to check on that.

As for the system file scan's, follow the link below and run the scan's as outlined there.

http://www.eightforums.com/network-sharing/32278-accessing-internet.html#post284945
 

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    8GB Gskill DDR2 1200Mhz
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    GTX-480
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    Asus D2 Xonar
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Yes I can appreciate not seeing all of the set up forces you in to a corner of having to make assumptions.
Our set up is simple:
8 PC's and 2 laptops all going through one router for internet access . All are Networked through our telephone system. All access SAGE via a separate external hard drive (public on the network list). The PC's are all named Admin? (net BIOS names ADMIN?) with user names being the operator - Jo, Kelly and so on. The laptops are called laptop1 and 2. All are members of a Microsoft workgroup named XXXXXXXXX. The system has been functioning superbly up until I had to replace two PC's. The two new PC,s are win8. One is my system and this connected to the workgroup and functions fine. The other is the PC that I just cannot seem to get connected properly. All other PC's can see and access the PC (Admin8) however this PC just cannot see anything other than my win8 PC and two laptops that run win7.

I appreciate you help and patience. I will run the scans as detailed and let you know result.
Thanks
 

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