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Wifi seems fine but isn't. What's wrong?

  1. #11


    This is still the problem here. > With older wireless G adaptors you may have a hard time finding an updated driver version that will work with Windows 8.1 as G is over ten years out of date and in most cases support has ended for these devices.

    You can still get to the wireless security settings by bring up the status window then click on the Wireless Properties button as is showing in the picture.

    It may help to fill in the static IPv4 settings in this case. This may help you get around any issues with picking up the default gateway.
    Attached Thumbnails Attached Thumbnails Wireless status properties.PNG  

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  2. #12


    Central IL
    Posts : 3,468
    Linux Mint 17.2


    Pull up Device Manager, and in "View", click on "Show Hidden Devices". If the old USB dongle is still showing in "Network Adapters", right click on the adapter, and do an Uninstall, along with the box to remove all device drivers".

    If you are wanting the Zyair to be your only Wifi adapter, once you remove the other, then it should be your primary. When you boot up in Windows 8.x, then you should be able to connect to your Wireless Access Point.

    As for system scanners, you only need one for making sure that the system stays clean of any malware. When I was looking at your Speccy, there are multiple instances of mmc.exe, and also showing you running a torrent program.

    Decide which Anti-Virus/Anti-Malware program you want, and only run that one program. Running multiples as I stated, will cause issues. Also they can affect your Networking adapters. By that, I mean that they can "Firewall" the connection, to protect from allowing malware or intrusions coming through.

    Changing back to Windows 7 is not going to solve the problem you are having with the adapter in Windows 8.x. I have been seeing a lot of Microsoft Signed drivers that are being downloaded through Microsoft/Windows Update, causing problems. Easy way to solve that, is to download the driver from the adapter or computer manufacturer website, if the network adapter came pre-installed on the computer.

    Open up a Command window, and run the two following commands and paste the results: "netsh wlan show drivers" and "netsh wlan show all". Do not copy the quotes.
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  3. #13


    Posts : 11
    Microsoft Windows 8.1 Professional


    Open up a Command window, and run the two following commands and paste the results: "netsh wlan show drivers" and "netsh wlan show all". Do not copy the quotes.Open up a Command window, and run the two following commands and paste the results: "netsh wlan show drivers" and "netsh wlan show all". Do not copy the quotes.lol, Chev65, you didn't read any of my posts completely, did you? ;p

    1. I have the latest drivers and already tried any alternative with the same hardware ID, all giving the exact same result.
    2. I know how to bring up wireless settings, like I said, I'm a programmer, so I really know my way around Windows.
    3. I have no Default Gateway problems... It's actually one of the things that does work as it should, while illogically skipping any previous steps... Explain to me how this will help me finding and connecting to a secured SSID? ;p

    broe23, same thing... ;p

    1. Having uninstalled, reinstalled and updated drivers 100 times already in any order or way imaginable, I don't see how doing this again would help anything.
    2. I started out with only the wireless card and added other because it didn't work, so going back there would only send me back to start. Doing this however makes my computer say everywhere that it's not connected and has no internet, but at the same time downloads and surfs just fine on that open network,... It doesn't even show it as a wired network in the Windows 8.1 GUI.
    3. Multiple mmc.exe means I have a few certain Control panel windows open (like Manage Computer, as mmc means 'Microsoft Management Console') and it's not a scanner of any kind. It's just me fidling and backwards engeneering Windows to see what's wrong...
    4. What's wrong with me running a torrentclient? Doesn't everybody these days? My Virus-Scanner (of which I only have 1) is called ASCU, not MMC and as I needed to download it, the problem was already there before it got installed,...
    5. I'm running exactly 0 firewalls on the pc, as this is done by the router...
    6. I never download Microsoft drivers, it's the Microsoft drivers that need replacement every install and the wifi I'm trying to get to work had no Microsoft drivers for Windows 8.1.
    7. Returning to 7 would help it, as the driver I'm using now actually does work in 7, but I don't want 7. I still have it on a few pc's and I have found more bugs than Microsoft has fixes for it. (Yes actual code-bugs, not stuff I did wrong. I tend to open stuff up and look at the code to see if I can't fix it, which didn't help my driver-problem yet either, btw. Like I said, everything in it seems right comparing to a working one of a USB dongle. ;p)
    8. "Open up a Command window, and run the two following commands and paste the results: "netsh wlan show drivers" and "netsh wlan show all". Do not copy the quotes." Like I said 2 posts ago and as clearly be seen in my screenshots of exactly the thing you're asking me to do again, you can see that it's not listed as a wlan driver or interface,... 'netsh' and Windows 8.1's UI see it as a wired card, while the underlaying Windows 7-remains of Network Connections sees it as a wireless card. Result: it autoconnects to any open network without any scanner or any controls for it what-so-ever, except maybe indeed the IP, gateway and dns, but that's not the problem here, so... It also does NOT show any SSID or network strength in the Statusbox, but it does say the wireless speed is at 54k,...

    Not to blow you guys off or anything, I appreciate the fact that you're trying to help, but please consider helping me as someone with twice (at least) the IQ of the regular computer-user, as I know all the standard tricks and even tried to backwards engineer it to work... No need to ask if I tried turning it off and back on again.

    And please, try to read everything I said before answering, not asking me to do things abundantly again ;p

    Grtz,

    ~ Nephatiu
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  4. #14


    Central IL
    Posts : 3,468
    Linux Mint 17.2


    Unless you post the information being requested, we cannot help you. Stating that you are a programmer, that is fine and all. But you came here for help. Not giving the information we need, or refusing to allow us to help you, is like telling your auto mechanic that your car makes funny noises when going down the road, but you never take it into the shop.

    We really need the information from netsh wlan show drivers & netsh wlan show all, along with having you fully remove the old dongle drivers in Device manager, before we can go any further.

    If the Zyair is getting a Wireless connection, then I would say that it works. But right now all we are doing is running around in circles, due to you refuse to allow us to help you on this problem.
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  5. #15


    Actually there Mr. Programmer I was addressing the problem at hand, looks like it went right over your head.
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  6. #16


    Posts : 11
    Microsoft Windows 8.1 Professional


    chev, broe, again, I didn't mean to attack you guys and just point out the facts, I can be straightforward and I know this sometimes has the effect of making me seem like a jerk (and maybe I am, I dunno), but it's all just to make things progress...

    chev, I admit I could've mentioned it does not display where you said it does, I dunno if that's because it's 8.1 or because the driver is not fully working, but I expect the latter... Sorry again for the brute answer.

    broe, I just wanted to point out I'm a programmer, not too brag about it, but to enforce the 'plz don't ask me to do the noob stuff first' question. There are many coders and it's nothing to brag about or special for that matter, just proves I'm a geek, that's all. Also the fact about 'twice the IQ', mentioned in previous post, isn't really bragging either, since I meant there are a lot of very dumb people online these days. I loved it better 20 years ago, when it was only us nerds that ruled the BBS scene and so on... ;p

    Anyway, since you insist, and trying not to act any more of a jerk as I already did (), I'll do what you asked and post the screenshot of wlan drivers and wlan all, so here it is:

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    Note that I'm currently connected through the Prism XM card which was in a previous driver arrangement called ZyAir, but goes by many names, all basically using the same Prism XM card (LSI 3886 SUBDIR 003717CF) driver. It looks like this when connected:

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    Which all looks very Wi-Fi to me, as it's also standardly being added with the name "Wi-Fi" (the dongle became "Wi-Fi 2" when it was installed), except for the missing signal quality and the missing SSID. There are 2 open networks here, one is mine and the other is a hotspot with a portalsite to login to, both have broadcasted SSID's. It randomly selects one, and according to the IP I can find out which one, other than refreshing a browser tab which will open the portalsite if it's the hotspot. If I then disable and re-enable it, I usually get the other one. Problem is I don't need it to connect to my open wifi, I need it to connect to my protected wifi (because the open one has no access to the network for security reasons, of course). But when I go to the Properties chev pointed out, there's no 'security' tab and when going to the Windows 8.1 Network and Communications Center, it shows it as a wired connection like so:

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    Making it impossible for me to get it to scan, (after which I could show networks, select one myself and enter any security info) as there's obviously no scan function for wired connections.

    Feels as if this is more of a Windows 8.1 error than it is the driver's, since it's actually able to do what it's supposed to, but Windows won't let me control it the way it should.

    Grtz,

    ~ Nephatiu
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  7. #17


    Central IL
    Posts : 3,468
    Linux Mint 17.2


    I cannot read that Thumbnail screenshot. I need you to Copy the information from the Command window and paste it into a message. That is really the only way we can tell what it states.

    If wifi is working, there is no problem. If it is not working, then you possibly have bad drivers, or a failing interface.
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  8. #18


    Posts : 11
    Microsoft Windows 8.1 Professional


    Right, sorry for that, I forget sometimes my vertical resolution is way higher than HD's is. ;p

    Here it is (but it doesn't hold any info at all, though. ):

    Code:
    Windows PowerShellCopyright (C) 2013 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.
    
    
    PS C:\Users\Doctor> netsh wlan show drivers
    There is no wireless interface on the system.
    PS C:\Users\Doctor> netsh wlan show all
    Wireless System Information Summary
    (Time: 4/03/2014 23:57:26 Romance Standard Time)
    
    
    
    
    =======================================================================
    ============================== SHOW DRIVERS ===========================
    =======================================================================
    
    
    There is no wireless interface on the system.
    
    
    =======================================================================
    ============================= SHOW INTERFACES =========================
    =======================================================================
    
    
    There is no wireless interface on the system.
        Hosted network status  : Not available
    
    
    
    
    =======================================================================
    =========================== SHOW HOSTED NETWORK =======================
    =======================================================================
    
    
    
    
    Hosted network settings
    -----------------------
        Mode                   : Allowed
        Settings               : <Not configured>
    
    
    Hosted network status
    ---------------------
        Status                 : Not available
    
    
    
    
    =======================================================================
    ============================= SHOW SETTINGS ===========================
    =======================================================================
    
    
    
    
    Wireless LAN settings
    ---------------------
        Show blocked networks in visible network list: No
    
    
        Only use GP profiles on GP-configured networks: No
    
    
        Hosted network mode allowed in WLAN service: Yes
    
    
        Allow shared user credentials for network authentication: Yes
    
    
        Block period: Not Configured.
    
    
    
    
    
    
    =======================================================================
    ============================== SHOW FILTERS ===========================
    =======================================================================
    
    
    
    
    Allow list on the system (group policy)
    ---------------------------------------
        <None>
    
    
    Allow list on the system (user)
    -------------------------------
        <None>
    
    
    Block list on the system (group policy)
    ---------------------------------------
        <None>
    
    
    Block list on the system (user)
    -------------------------------
        <None>
    
    
    
    
    =======================================================================
    =========================== SHOW CREATEALLUSER ========================
    =======================================================================
    
    
    
    
    Everyone is allowed to create all user profiles.
    
    
    
    
    =======================================================================
    ============================= SHOW PROFILES ===========================
    =======================================================================
    
    
    There is no wireless interface on the system.
    
    
    =======================================================================
    ========================== SHOW PROFILES NAME=* =======================
    =======================================================================
    
    
    There is no wireless interface on the system.
    
    
    =======================================================================
    ======================= SHOW NETWORKS MODE=BSSID ======================
    =======================================================================
    
    
    There is no such wireless interface on the system.
    PS C:\Users\Doctor>
    Grtz,

    ~ Nephatiu
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  9. #19


    Central IL
    Posts : 3,468
    Linux Mint 17.2


    Lets scratch everything we have already discussed and start from beginning.

    What is showing in Device Manager for Network adapters at this time. The netsh wlan show all, should have shown the Zyair Wireless adapter, if it is still installed along with the drivers.

    If it shows a Yellow ! and the Wireless adapter name, then there is either an issue with the drivers or the physical adapter itself.
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  10. #20


    Posts : 11
    Microsoft Windows 8.1 Professional


    Latest driver I used is now called something else, but whatever it's called, it's not listed as a wlan driver, indeed. However, it does show up in the Network Connections as the icon above (with the green signalmeter on it and the possibility to display the SSID and Signal Strength in the Statusbox) and it's added with the default name set to 'Wi-Fi'.

    It connects on installing the driver to any first open network it can find and stays connected to that network until I reset it, after which the cycle restarts.

    Once connected, it's shown everywhere else as a wired connection, except for the sidebar that comes when clicking the network icon, which just says there are no connections available:

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    Apps like the Windows Store won't acces the internet as they apparently check this instead of testing actual reply's to servers. I think all Metro apps work this way and thus can't access the internet.

    All desktop applications however work just fine, as I'm also answering you right now over the 'wired connection' my wifi is faking via my open Wifi-AP.
    So the only thing I need to do to get it to work, if you ask me, is to get the driver to tell Windows specifically that's it's wireless and not a regular wired ethernet adapter, but I can't seem to find how Windows 8.1 identifies this difference.

    In a perfect world there would just be a line of code I'd have to add to the .ini file of the driver itself, but even if that existed, there's nothing documented on it that I seem to be able to find... Maybe I'm just looking in the wrong places, maybe it's just in my dreams... However the fact that it's able to do what it should by itself proves that the driver works, imho. Now only getting Windows 8.1 to follow.

    Grtz,

    ~ Nephatiu
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