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A little help about uploading and its monitoring on win 8.

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    A little help about uploading and its monitoring on win 8.


    Hi to everyone.
    I m uploading something on facebook via firefox. when I see uploading monitor in task manager, in process tab, FF show that it uploads data in 0.1 mbps where performance tab shows data sent with 1mbps speed.
    I don't upload something else from my computer. so why the uploading speed different. what is the real firefox upload speed.?

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    See my images. They look similar to yours and neither reflect the true upload speed. To get an accurate measurement, you would need a program that can actually meter the upload speed. I have used FileZilla (see actual speeds in red). IMHO, both of those views are worthless when trying to determine the actual upload speed.

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    Hope my comparison testing has helped you. Good luck.
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    Quote Originally Posted by I AM LEGEND View Post
    Hi to everyone.
    I m uploading something on facebook via firefox. when I see uploading monitor in task manager, in process tab, FF show that it uploads data in 0.1 mbps where performance tab shows data sent with 1mbps speed.
    I don't upload something else from my computer. so why the uploading speed different. what is the real firefox upload speed.?

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    The speed represented in the performance tab is cumulative and includes all the data currently being sent from all interfaces and IP addresses (Ethernet, Wireless)

    That speed also includes the data transfer of overhead which essentially sends additional information to check if it is still connected to the internet as well as provide other functions such as advertise any folders it is sharing with other users.

    I would not worry too much as that sent speed is not necessarily how much is being sent to the internet. It can include LAN file transfers.

    The speed you see in the network tab is only what that particular application is using as well as it is a accumulation of bandwidth used for sent and receiving

    Hope I have explained this well if not then I will try to re-word it

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    Quote Originally Posted by JustATest View Post
    See my images. They look similar to yours and neither reflect the true upload speed. To get an accurate measurement, you would need a program that can actually meter the upload speed. I have used FileZilla (see actual speeds in red). IMHO, both of those views are worthless when trying to determine the actual upload speed.

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    Hope my comparison testing has helped you. Good luck.
    thanks for reply.
    is FileZilla program mentioned that which program (firefox, IE, utorrent, etc) using how many up/down bandwidth.?
    because I noticed in your snapshot that filezilla did not show any application which is sent data by 315kbps up speed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by I AM LEGEND View Post

    The speed represented in the performance tab is cumulative and includes all the data currently being sent from all interfaces and IP addresses (Ethernet, Wireless)

    That speed also includes the data transfer of overhead which essentially sends additional information to check if it is still connected to the internet as well as provide other functions such as advertise any folders it is sharing with other users.

    I would not worry too much as that sent speed is not necessarily how much is being sent to the internet. It can include LAN file transfers.

    The speed you see in the network tab is only what that particular application is using as well as it is a accumulation of bandwidth used for sent and receiving

    Hope I have explained this well if not then I will try to re-word it

    Josh!
    thanks for reply
    but I checked all applications and background processes by drag down the task manager first tab, any software did not uses bandwidth.
    I m not shared any folder or drive.
    and I m not also worry about that matter, but actually I only want to know that because I want to calculate the time in which it finish uploading..
    (sorry for my english)
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    As I said, there is always overhead on traffic, it does not have to be from sharing a folder.

    Have you tried to view the resource monitor to see what processes are actively using bandwidth? This will give a more accurate measurement since it uses bytes per second. Remember that there are 0.0078125 kilobits in 1 byte.

    Speed gets slightly weird when converting it from digital storage due to their being 8 bits in a byte.

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    Filezilla is the application and it is shown in my first image (just like Firefox is shown in your image). The information being uploaded is a very large image file.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadowjk View Post
    As I said, there is always overhead on traffic, it does not have to be from sharing a folder.

    Have you tried to view the resource monitor to see what processes are actively using bandwidth? This will give a more accurate measurement since it uses bytes per second. Remember that there are 0.0078125 kilobits in 1 byte.

    Speed gets slightly weird when converting it from digital storage due to their being 8 bits in a byte.

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    I just tested this view as well but I'm not going to upload screenshots so here are the results explained:

    1-I took a 65mb image file and started to upload it to my server via FileZilla.
    2-The average upload speed was metered by FileZilla at about 310KB per second.
    3-I started the Resource Monitor and watched the transfer rates.
    4-The rate slowly started to increase, and after about 45 seconds, the transfer rate shown in Resource Monitor was finally in-synch with the transfer rate shown in FileZilla

    Conclusion: On smaller, short duration uploads, this view would not be accurate either.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JustATest View Post
    Conclusion: On smaller, short duration uploads, this view would not be accurate either.
    That is correct

    This is known as TCP Windowing. This is how TCP handles packets and slowly increases transfer speeds to decrease the amount of acknowledgements needed therefore reducing the total bandwidth used



    This is the best video I could find that included TCP Windowing. Starts around 07:00

    It also goes into a lot of detail about network fundamentals if anyone wants to watch it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadowjk View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by JustATest View Post
    Conclusion: On smaller, short duration uploads, this view would not be accurate either.
    That is correct

    This is known as TCP Windowing. This is how TCP handles packets and slowly increases transfer speeds to decrease the amount of acknowledgements needed therefore reducing the total bandwidth used



    This is the best video I could find that included TCP Windowing. Starts around 07:00

    It also goes into a lot of detail about network fundamentals if anyone wants to watch it

    Josh!
    Your logic may be correct; however, FileZilla metered the upload speed correctly from start to finish whereas the Resource Monitor took 45 seconds to catch up. So, are you saying that TCP Windowing only applies to the Resource Monitor and not the actual metered upload?
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    It is most likely to do with how each program handles packets. Filezilla will calculate an estimated speed throughout the transfer with the speed shown becoming more accurate/stable over time. Resource Monitor will look at each packet individually and provide and exact amount of packets that have passed through its interface during that time. Upon launch of the ftp transfer you should see the upload rate increase and then stabilise in the FTP client. How quickly will depend on the size of the file as well as any limitations on the connection whether it be physical or virtually placed.

    One other factor to consider is that they also both working at different units of data transfer measurements. Kbps is different to bps (Bits per second)

    Josh
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