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Can't disable password access to file and printer sharing

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    Can't disable password access to file and printer sharing


    I am in the midst of the final steps in setting my my new Win 8 system.

    I have a Win XP and Win 8 computer on my home network. I believe that I have set up file and printer sharing correctly. I can access the files and printer on the XP system from the Win 8 system. However, when I attempt to access the Win 8 files from the Win XP system, I get a long delay (about a minute or two) and then it asks me for the User Name & Password. I enter them and then and it works fine.

    If I try to print on the printer attached to the Win 8 system from the XP system, I get a printer error unless I have already signed in with the ID & PW when accessing files. It never asks me for an ID & PW before attempting to print.

    On the Win 8 system, I have selected "Turn off password protected sharing" in the "Network and Sharing Center/Advanced Sharing Settings".

    The Win XP system has previously been correctly sharing files and printers with another XP system for some time and I haven't changed any settings on the XP computer.

    Both the XP and Win 8 systems are assigned the same Workgroup name.

    Any idea what my problem may be?

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    Have you tried adjusting the permission settings on the C:>Users folder of the Windows 8 machine?

    To subdue the passwords both the Security tab and the Sharing tab of the C:>Users folder may require adjustments in order to gain access from an XP machine.

    This is only if you require complete access to the Win8 machines C:>Users folder from the XP machine.

    I can give you very precise directions for this if required.

    If you only want to share certain files or folders you can use the Public folders on the Windows 8 machine.

    Using the Public folders is the safest and easiest option for down level sharing because only objects placed into the Public folders will be available for sharing to the other Workgroup machines.

    You just need to enable sharing through the sharing tab of the C:>Users>Public folder on the Windows 8 machine.
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    I wonder if it has anything to do with the problem here:

    Consistent temporary network error

    Perhaps it appears unavailable for a while then eventually it works. Which is why after access the computer successfully, you can print.

    The delay I have in access shares is the same as the delay in being able to print. I get get error and after a while of trying it goes through.

    It's a bloody pain because there's no real problem to be seen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnOfE View Post
    I wonder if it has anything to do with the problem here:

    Consistent temporary network error

    Perhaps it appears unavailable for a while then eventually it works. Which is why after access the computer successfully, you can print.

    The delay I have in access shares is the same as the delay in being able to print. I get get error and after a while of trying it goes through.

    It's a bloody pain because there's no real problem to be seen.
    I don't think that my problem is similar. I don't get an error message - just the need to enter an ID & password.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chev65 View Post
    Have you tried adjusting the permission settings on the C:>Users folder of the Windows 8 machine?

    To subdue the passwords both the Security tab and the Sharing tab of the C:>Users folder may require adjustments in order to gain access from an XP machine.

    This is only if you require complete access to the Win8 machines C:>Users folder from the XP machine.

    I can give you very precise directions for this if required.

    If you only want to share certain files or folders you can use the Public folders on the Windows 8 machine.

    Using the Public folders is the safest and easiest option for down level sharing because only objects placed into the Public folders will be available for sharing to the other Workgroup machines.

    You just need to enable sharing through the sharing tab of the C:>Users>Public folder on the Windows 8 machine.
    Thank you for your reply chev65,

    I believe that there's something odd happening. Let me provide more detail.

    On the Win 8 machine...
    I have 2 hard drives. The system originally came with Win 8 installed on a traditional 2TB HD. I added an SSD and installed Win 8 on the SSD and boot from this drive. Therefore, I have
    Drive C: SSD (with Win 8)
    Drive D: a partition on the original HDD where the original Win 8 is installed (but not used)
    Drive E: a partition on the original HDD where I store all my files

    I really only need to share the printer and Drive E: on the Win 8 machine. (and Drive C: & printer on the XP machine)

    I'll post screen captures of the Win 8 Network sharing and permission settings:

    As you can see, E: is shared with all permissions granted to Everyone. However, the Security settings are not the same. (Is this the problem?)

    Based on your suggestion regarding sharing and permissions on the C:/Users folder, I did some fiddling. C:/Users was set to Share with permissions granted to everyone. I also looked at C:/Users/Public and surprisingly, it was not set to share. I allowed sharing and granted permission to Everyone, then rebooted both the XP and Win 8 computers. Now I can no longer see shared folders from either computer! I then changed C:/Users/Public back to not shared, rebooted but I still can't see the shared files on either computer. On the XP machine, I don't see the Win 8 machine so it never gets a chance to ask for a user ID & PW.

    Interestingly, after the first reboot, I clicked "Network" in File Explorer. A green bar very slowly progressed across the address bar before the Win 8 Network appeared under "Network". The XP network never did appear.

    No I'm really screwed up. I going backward.

    I think I need help!
    Attached Thumbnails Attached Thumbnails All.jpg   Private.jpg   Guest.jpg   E Share.jpg   E Permission.jpg  

    E security.jpg  
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    Lets stick with just the E drive for now. On the Security tab, you will need to click Edit, then Add, then type Everyone into the open box, hit apply OK etc. This should allow access to the entire drive from the XP machine.

    Let me know if this works and we can go from there.

    On the Public folders, Only files placed into the Public folders will be available from the XP machine. It won't give you access to the Windows 8 machine, just to files placed into the Public folders.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chev65 View Post
    Lets stick with just the E drive for now. On the Security tab, you will need to click Edit, then Add, then type Everyone into the open box, hit apply OK etc. This should allow access to the entire drive from the XP machine.

    Let me know if this works and we can go from there.

    On the Public folders, Only files placed into the Public folders will be available from the XP machine. It won't give you access to the Windows 8 machine, just to files placed into the Public folders.
    Thanks again chev65,
    I've done as you suggest.

    Now I can see the Win 8 E: drive from the XP machine but it still requires a password.

    However, I still can't see the XP C: drive from the Win 8 machine. In addition, when I click on the Network folder in File Explorer, I still get the slowly progressing green bar across the address bar.

    I'll include a screenshot of the security setting on the E: drive.

    I've had a lot of difficulty getting Win 8 installed on the SSD drive and have read many posts in an effort to solve my problems. I vaguely remember one post indicating that having Win 8 installed on 2 drives in the same computer will cause problems. I can find reference to that post now. Could this be part of the problem?
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    You should be able to access the C drive on the XP machine by applying the same settings to that drive. Although it's safer to set the share up from the C:>Users folder rather than sharing out the entire drive.

    I'm not sure about the slow progress bar but I can only fix one problem at a time here.

    It's important to point out that ANY type of third party anti virus software will cause you problems with sharing.
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    Things are spinning out of control.

    I adjusted the Security setting for the XP "My Documents folder and rebooted booted both machines.

    When the Win 8 machine rebooted, I got the Message "Scanning and repairing Drive D:". It repaired and rebooted, then I got the message "Preparing Automatic repair". To make a long story less long, I got an endless series of those "repair" error message. The end result was that I was unable to boot into either the SSD or the HDD. I have a Restore Drive on a USB drive for the HDD but it failed to restore, repair or fix.

    Anyway, luckily I have a Win 8 Pro install disk and I have reinstalled Win 8 on the SSD (with the HDD disconnected).

    Before I reinstall everything else, I checked the sharing.
    - On the XP machine, I can see and access the Win 8 C:/Users folder without a password.
    - On the Win 8 machine, I still can't see the XP machine.

    OK now I have a fresh pallete to work with. I looked at the "System Properties" window to ensure that my workgroup name is the same on both computers (they are). I see an interesting item called "To use a wizard to join a domain or workgroup, click Network ID". I don't want to screw up things again so I didn't press it.

    Maybe I'm naive but it seems to me that a user shouldn't have to do anything other than "turn on network and printer sharing" when Windows is installed in order for it to work. (I did this). I can accept that I'd have to turn on sharing on a secondary drive because Windows 8 probably only does this for the C:/Users folder.

    I'm wondering about another issue too....
    My computer has a WiFi card but I'm not using it to connect to the network. I have a wired connection to the router. Could this be causing confusion to Windows?
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    Quote Originally Posted by dsscottage View Post
    Things are spinning out of control.

    I adjusted the Security setting for the XP "My Documents folder and rebooted booted both machines.

    When the Win 8 machine rebooted, I got the Message "Scanning and repairing Drive D:". It repaired and rebooted, then I got the message "Preparing Automatic repair". To make a long story less long, I got an endless series of those "repair" error message. The end result was that I was unable to boot into either the SSD or the HDD. I have a Restore Drive on a USB drive for the HDD but it failed to restore, repair or fix.

    Anyway, luckily I have a Win 8 Pro install disk and I have reinstalled Win 8 on the SSD (with the HDD disconnected).

    Before I reinstall everything else, I checked the sharing.
    - On the XP machine, I can see and access the Win 8 C:/Users folder without a password.
    - On the Win 8 machine, I still can't see the XP machine.

    OK now I have a fresh pallete to work with. I looked at the "System Properties" window to ensure that my workgroup name is the same on both computers (they are). I see an interesting item called "To use a wizard to join a domain or workgroup, click Network ID". I don't want to screw up things again so I didn't press it.

    Maybe I'm naive but it seems to me that a user shouldn't have to do anything other than "turn on network and printer sharing" when Windows is installed in order for it to work. (I did this). I can accept that I'd have to turn on sharing on a secondary drive because Windows 8 probably only does this for the C:/Users folder.

    I'm wondering about another issue too....
    My computer has a WiFi card but I'm not using it to connect to the network. I have a wired connection to the router. Could this be causing confusion to Windows?
    The adjustments we made to the permissions on the C:>Users folder appear to have worked so that's good.

    I believe that installing Windows 8 while another drive is connected can lead to problems which might have been the case, although I wasn't really aware of that till now. I'm glad you sorted that part out.

    You may need to run the Network set up wizard on the XP machine before Windows 8 will see it. You will also need to share out the C:>Users folder on the XP machine before it can be seen.

    I believe the default workgroup name for XP is MSHOME where for Windows 8 it's Workgroup but I'm sure you checked that.

    Assuming you shared the Public folders on the Windows 8 machine, you should be able to see that share as well from the XP machine.

    You only need to use the sharing tab in order to share out the Public folders at C:>Users>Public
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