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Can't disable password access to file and printer sharing

  1. #11


    Posts : 59
    Win 8.1 Pro X64


    Interesting development.....

    The HDD was originally a UEFI drive. I tried but failed to set up the SDD as UEFI. Therefore, it was and is an MBR drive. Because all my fiddling around seemed to cause both the SDD and HDD to become unbootable, I decided to reformat the HDD. First, I used DISKPART to clean the drive to get rid of the UEFI partitions, then I used Disk Manager to format it as NTFS.

    As I type, the system is busy copying all my files back to the HDD (still over 3 hours to go!). However, I notice in the background that I can now see the XP computer in File Manager!!!!!!! I don't want to screw up anything else so I'll wait until the copying is finished to explore further.

    I'm wondering if the existence of both a UEFI and MBR formatted HD in the system was causing problems? Maybe now that they are both MBR, all is good to go. I'll post back tomorrow with more info.

    You mentioned disconnecting the second HDD while installing Win on the SDD. I was aware of that potential issue and have always had the HDD disconnected when installing Win on the SDD. (I did this MANY times in my failed attempts to install Win on the SDD as a UEFI installation.)

    By the way....
    Since your ID is chev65, I suspect that you are a classic car fan. I'm not into that anymore but it used to be one of my major obsessions.

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  2. #12


    Posts : 59
    Win 8.1 Pro X64


    No Joy!

    All my files are copied back to the Win 8 Machine.

    After my re installation and reformat, I now have:
    C: - SSD with a MBR installation of Win 8 Pro
    D: - HDD formatted as a MBR disk with an NTFS file system (user files located here)

    After booting up this morning, I can see the Win 8 Machine from the XP machine but it still requires a password even though I have selected "Turn off password protected sharing" in the "All Networks" section in the "Advanced sharing settings" of the "Network and Sharing Center".

    I can not see the XP system from the Win 8 system. Again, the XP system was previously set up to share files with another XP system (now replaced by the Win 8 system). The only setting that I have changed on the XP system is the "Security setting" as recommended in post #6. It seems to me that if it was previously set up correctly and it worked, it should work now.

    I had one thought this morning. My Win 8 system has both a Ethernet port and a wireless LAN card. When I installed Win 8, I made the selection "connect to the wireless network later". I actually connect to the router and internet through a wired connection to the Ethernet port. I'm getting desperate so I rationalized that both the Ethernet and LAN card are enabled so maybe Win 8 is confused where to find the XP machine (even though the internet is working perfectly). Just in case, I disabled the wireless LAN card (in Device Manager) and rebooted both systems. If this is the issue, do I need to change another setting in Win 8 to direct file sharing to look to the Ethernet port?

    Still no joy. I can't see the XP system from the Win 8 system.
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  3. #13


    Quote Originally Posted by dsscottage View Post
    No Joy!

    All my files are copied back to the Win 8 Machine.

    After my re installation and reformat, I now have:
    C: - SSD with a MBR installation of Win 8 Pro
    D: - HDD formatted as a MBR disk with an NTFS file system (user files located here)

    After booting up this morning, I can see the Win 8 Machine from the XP machine but it still requires a password even though I have selected "Turn off password protected sharing" in the "All Networks" section in the "Advanced sharing settings" of the "Network and Sharing Center".

    I can not see the XP system from the Win 8 system. Again, the XP system was previously set up to share files with another XP system (now replaced by the Win 8 system). The only setting that I have changed on the XP system is the "Security setting" as recommended in post #6. It seems to me that if it was previously set up correctly and it worked, it should work now.

    I had one thought this morning. My Win 8 system has both a Ethernet port and a wireless LAN card. When I installed Win 8, I made the selection "connect to the wireless network later". I actually connect to the router and internet through a wired connection to the Ethernet port. I'm getting desperate so I rationalized that both the Ethernet and LAN card are enabled so maybe Win 8 is confused where to find the XP machine (even though the internet is working perfectly). Just in case, I disabled the wireless LAN card (in Device Manager) and rebooted both systems. If this is the issue, do I need to change another setting in Win 8 to direct file sharing to look to the Ethernet port?

    Still no joy. I can't see the XP system from the Win 8 system.
    Honestly, no idea why you can't see the XP machine from Win 8, but if you had any type of A/V software installed on the XP machine that might cause the problem unless it's removed using the special uninstall tool for the A/V software.
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  4. #14


    Posts : 59
    Win 8.1 Pro X64


    I believe that I'll change direction a bit.

    For the time being, I can live with password access from the XP to the Win 8 machine. However, I really need to get networking from the Win 8 to XP machine working.

    I believe that I'll make a fresh post with a thread title better related to that problem.

    In the meantime, I really do thank you for taking all the time to help me. I'll rep you!

    Thanks again!
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  5. #15


    Quote Originally Posted by dsscottage View Post
    I believe that I'll change direction a bit.

    For the time being, I can live with password access from the XP to the Win 8 machine. However, I really need to get networking from the Win 8 to XP machine working.

    I believe that I'll make a fresh post with a thread title better related to that problem.

    In the meantime, I really do thank you for taking all the time to help me. I'll rep you!

    Thanks again!
    Bringing down the NTFS permissions should have worked for that. Nothing more is required far as I know.

    You really should try using the Public folders for sharing between XP and Windows 8, but if you can't even see anything from the Windows 8 machine that might not work.
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  6. #16


    Posts : 59
    Win 8.1 Pro X64

    Solution!


    I think that this situation is deserving of a place in "Ripley's Believe it or Not"!

    My situation is resolved. After getting a lot of great help from this forum as well as searching the web and many other forums, With dread, I broke down and called Microsoft. (I had just purchased the computer as well as a Win 8 Pro upgrade.)

    If you can believe it, a live Microsoft Tech answered the phone on the second ring. He was based in the Philippines but his English was excellent. He was patient and exceptionally helpful. In total, he spent over 2 hours on the phone with me. He indicated that networking a Win 8 and XP computer is difficult. He remotely logged on to both computers and took control of them.

    My original issue was the elimination of the need to enter an ID & PW on the XP computer to gain access to the Win 8 network. However after all the changes made, I was unable to even see the XP network from the Win 8 computer. Unfortunately, after 2 hours of trial and error, I lost track of what specifically fixed this problem but he was able to get my network working. However, he was unable to eliminate the need to enter a user ID and password on the XP computer to access the Win 8 computer. He offered to have Level 2 Tech call me back to look at that issue. We agreed on a 2 hour window of time the next day for the Level 2 Tech to call me.

    At exactly the beginning of that 2 hour interval, the Level 2 Tech called. Again, he took remote control of both computers. The solution was not easily and immediately obvious. After about an hour on the phone, he resolved the problem.

    When accessing Win 8 files or printers from a XP computer, you need to either:
    -enter the user ID & PW when accessing the files
    -or sign on to the XP computer at boot up with exactly the same password as needed to access the Win 8 network.

    Ripley's Believe it or Not?.....
    Who hasn't bashed "big bad Microsoft"? However, they provided the best tech support that I have experienced since the mid 1980's when Wordperfect was king and they provided great tech support from Orem, Utah. I think that I'm in love with Microsoft!
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  7. #17


    Quote Originally Posted by dsscottage View Post
    I think that this situation is deserving of a place in "Ripley's Believe it or Not"!

    My situation is resolved. After getting a lot of great help from this forum as well as searching the web and many other forums, With dread, I broke down and called Microsoft. (I had just purchased the computer as well as a Win 8 Pro upgrade.)

    If you can believe it, a live Microsoft Tech answered the phone on the second ring. He was based in the Philippines but his English was excellent. He was patient and exceptionally helpful. In total, he spent over 2 hours on the phone with me. He indicated that networking a Win 8 and XP computer is difficult. He remotely logged on to both computers and took control of them.

    My original issue was the elimination of the need to enter an ID & PW on the XP computer to gain access to the Win 8 network. However after all the changes made, I was unable to even see the XP network from the Win 8 computer. Unfortunately, after 2 hours of trial and error, I lost track of what specifically fixed this problem but he was able to get my network working. However, he was unable to eliminate the need to enter a user ID and password on the XP computer to access the Win 8 computer. He offered to have Level 2 Tech call me back to look at that issue. We agreed on a 2 hour window of time the next day for the Level 2 Tech to call me.

    At exactly the beginning of that 2 hour interval, the Level 2 Tech called. Again, he took remote control of both computers. The solution was not easily and immediately obvious. After about an hour on the phone, he resolved the problem.

    When accessing Win 8 files or printers from a XP computer, you need to either:
    -enter the user ID & PW when accessing the files
    -or sign on to the XP computer at boot up with exactly the same password as needed to access the Win 8 network.

    Ripley's Believe it or Not?.....
    Who hasn't bashed "big bad Microsoft"? However, they provided the best tech support that I have experienced since the mid 1980's when Wordperfect was king and they provided great tech support from Orem, Utah. I think that I'm in love with Microsoft!
    I'm surprised they didn't have you set up the Public folders on the Windows 8 machine for sharing. It would have been much easier that way.

    This is why they have the Public folders in the first place, it's to eliminate all the hassles associated with file access from older Op systems.

    Same User name and password required for the Windows 8 and the XP machine in order to get rid of the password prompt, ok thanks but it seems to me that either way you need to enter a password unless you set it up for Auto sign in using the netplwiz trick.

    If you would have set up sharing on the Public folders of the Windows 8 machine, there would be no need to create the extra user or sign in at all.
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  8. #18


    Posts : 1
    Win 8 Pro and XP


    Quote Originally Posted by dsscottage View Post
    I think that this situation is deserving of a place in "Ripley's Believe it or Not"!

    My situation is resolved. After getting a lot of great help from this forum as well as searching the web and many other forums, With dread, I broke down and called Microsoft. (I had just purchased the computer as well as a Win 8 Pro upgrade.)

    If you can believe it, a live Microsoft Tech answered the phone on the second ring. He was based in the Philippines but his English was excellent. He was patient and exceptionally helpful. In total, he spent over 2 hours on the phone with me. He indicated that networking a Win 8 and XP computer is difficult. He remotely logged on to both computers and took control of them.

    My original issue was the elimination of the need to enter an ID & PW on the XP computer to gain access to the Win 8 network. However after all the changes made, I was unable to even see the XP network from the Win 8 computer. Unfortunately, after 2 hours of trial and error, I lost track of what specifically fixed this problem but he was able to get my network working. However, he was unable to eliminate the need to enter a user ID and password on the XP computer to access the Win 8 computer. He offered to have Level 2 Tech call me back to look at that issue. We agreed on a 2 hour window of time the next day for the Level 2 Tech to call me.

    At exactly the beginning of that 2 hour interval, the Level 2 Tech called. Again, he took remote control of both computers. The solution was not easily and immediately obvious. After about an hour on the phone, he resolved the problem.

    When accessing Win 8 files or printers from a XP computer, you need to either:
    -enter the user ID & PW when accessing the files
    -or sign on to the XP computer at boot up with exactly the same password as needed to access the Win 8 network.

    Ripley's Believe it or Not?.....
    Who hasn't bashed "big bad Microsoft"? However, they provided the best tech support that I have experienced since the mid 1980's when Wordperfect was king and they provided great tech support from Orem, Utah. I think that I'm in love with Microsoft!
    I am having the same problem: Can't get to my XP machine from WIN 8. I don't see the solution that your talking about. I can get from XP to WIN 8 and can access the WIN 8 machine in Win explorer from XP machine but I can't see XP machine at all on my WIN 8 machine. Going Nuts here!! Please help!!!
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