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Who are windows 8 and how to launch a wireless network

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    Who are windows 8 and how to launch a wireless network


    Gents and Gals:

    First, I have detected no less than 3 three Windows 8 forums. Sorry, I just don't understand. Are these sanctioned by Microsoft, are they independent, what ?

    I had been posting on: www.­forumswindows8.­com/­forum.­php

    Today it is apparently off line and I cannot access.

    I just bought a new HP 20 All in One computer with Windows 8. It replaced an older desk top HP with Windows 7. It's predecessor was an HP Slim Line Pavilion.

    I want to create a wireless home network to store data on the old computers as backup. My new computer has a network card but the two older do not. From what I understand I must buy a wireless router and also network adapters for the two older computers.

    I'm looking for recommendations and expert advice.

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    welcome to the forums

    you could look into usb wireless devices from netgear or pci depending on available expansion slots.

    different ways to go about the home network, you can get wireless cards that support multiple networks and do it adhoc ie pc to pc but probably more expensive.

    or get a wireless router and adapters for the other 2 machines.

    then once that's done visit the tutorial section Connecting between two machines - Simple File Sharing[1]=Networking Internet
    courtesy of AEM

    there are other tutorials for the different settings if you need them.
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    Everyone here would say that eightforums.com and sister site sevenforums.com are the best for expert advice. AFAIK all are independent of Microsoft and each other.

    Strictly speaking, if you have Windows 7 and/or 8 on one PC connected to the internet by ethernet cable to the broadband modem, and a Wireless device, e.g. an expansion card or USB wireless adapter on that same PC, it can be configured to act as an access point (or hotspot) for all your other wireless enabled devices, without any further additional hardware or software.

    Most Atheros and Broadcom-based adapters support this use.

    From a cmd prompt as administrator, issue the following command:

    Code:
    netsh wlan set hostednetwork mode=allow ssid=HomeWIFI key=MyWPAkey
    You should see:

    Code:
    The hosted network mode has been set to allow.
    The SSID of the hosted network has been successfully changed.
    The user key passphrase of the hosted network has been successfully changed.
    and then run this command:


    Code:
    netsh wlan start hostednetwork
    You should then see:

    Code:
    The hosted network started:
    Then share the connection from:

    Control Panel > Network and Internet > Network and Sharing Centre > Change Adapter Settings, right-click your internet connection and select Properties, click the Sharing tab, check "Allow other network users to connect through this computer's Internet connection", and then choose your Microsoft Hosted Virtual Wi-Fi adapter with the name HomeWIFI from available wireless networks on the machines you wish to connect.

    Other wireless equipped devices in range then will see HomeWIFI which will ask for the Passphrase (change the example MyWPAkey to something strong and memorable)

    To stop broadcasting, issue the command:

    Code:
    netsh wlan stop hostednetwork
    and uncheck the sharing tab box.

    If you feel that you need more security, you should invest in a router with firewall and other security features.
    Last edited by fafhrd; 18 Dec 2012 at 18:23.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wetibbe View Post
    Gents and Gals:

    First, I have detected no less than 3 three Windows 8 forums. Sorry, I just don't understand. Are these sanctioned by Microsoft, are they independent, what ?

    I had been posting on: www.*forumswindows8.*com/*forum.*php

    Today it is apparently off line and I cannot access.

    I just bought a new HP 20 All in One computer with Windows 8. It replaced an older desk top HP with Windows 7. It's predecessor was an HP Slim Line Pavilion.

    I want to create a wireless home network to store data on the old computers as backup. My new computer has a network card but the two older do not. From what I understand I must buy a wireless router and also network adapters for the two older computers.

    I'm looking for recommendations and expert advice.
    You'll need a wireless N router--which will connect to your modem. You will need two wireless-N USB adapters in order for the other two computers to be able to connect wirelessly. The adapters should come with drivers on CDs. You'll need to setup a network--preferably though Control Panel > Network and Sharing Center > Set up a new connection or network (choose to setup a Private network). You'll need to make a number of selections at Control Panel > Network and Sharing Center > Change advanced sharing settings.

    Are the other computers both Windows 7 computers? Regardless, you'll probably want to, but don't need to, use Control Panel > HomeGroup in setting up your network. Start by setting it up using your new Win8 computer.

    Here is a tutorial that may help you some. Post back for more help. You are likely to need some. It is difficult to say much more than I have at this stage. Also, note that I focus on using the Control Panel. Others, and tutorials, may focus on setting up your new network using the Metro interface. I work from the Desktop screen available through Win8.
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    Thanks All:

    Quick responses. Good info. I'm impressed.

    I set up a wired network some time back before Windows 7 and it turned out to be complicated and troublesome. Spent lots of money too. Eventually I gave up and took it down so I'm a little bit gun shy.

    Now, in addition to obtaining educational information on these forums I have also visited the stores here in New York that sell the necessary wireless network products. Not sure if it is providential or fortunate that the salesmen, although very knowledgeable, do seem to have different opinions as do the posts on other forums. For example: the nomenclature * network card, * network adapter, * dongle. I was told by one I would need dongles for the two older computers. The Staples salesman said NO, a dongle is for other devices not desk top computers. You need a USB plug & play wireless adapter device on the two old computes and a wireless router on the main computer.

    From what I gather I will install the wireless router between my modem and main computer. Simple enough. Just plug modem into router with G5 Ethernet cable and plug the router into the computer using a G5 Ethernet cable. Buy and install two wireless network adapters and plug into a USB port on each. Then use CD that comes with the router and follow instruction there and here on forum posts.

    I think I got it ! But now to refine. Not sure this forum is willing to make selection recommendations. But which brand, Netgear, Linksys, Belkin, other. And further what capacities. Some are basic entry level, some are more speedy and capable, some are faster. The prices seem to ascend with greater range, speed and capacity. Some salesmen recommended a $49 router, others $69, prices ascend up and up over $100. Some USB ratings are USB 1, USB2, USB3 all which indicated faster data transfer.

    My setup had 2 computer in the same room 5 feet apart and a third in an adjacent room with a wall composed of wood 2 x4 covered with dry wall, plaster board, covered by wood paneling. Distance about 15 feet.

    I don't want to buy under performance or overkill. As related I spent a lot of money last time and it didn't work out acceptably so I'm being thorough and cautious this time.

    BTW I spoke to my internet service provider yesterday about data that may be required as to ISP addresses and so on. He said they would "give me" a wireless router free, come and install it and set up my network. I asked what the cost was and what the "catch" was. He said: Nothing, we just want satisfied customers. As the saying goes: " Beware of a Greek bearing gifts" . I have an aversion to freebies. There usually is a string attached. Has anyone ever heard of this from an ISP ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by wetibbe View Post
    ... the salesmen ... do seem to have different opinions as do the posts on other forums. For example: the nomenclature * network card, * network adapter, * dongle. I was told by one I would need dongles for the two older computers. The Staples salesman said NO, a dongle is for other devices not desk top computers.
    Dongle terminology also can be applied to desktops.

    Quote Originally Posted by wetibbe View Post
    ... I gather I will install the wireless router between my modem and main computer. Simple enough. Just plug modem into router with G5 Ethernet cable and plug the router into the computer using a G5 Ethernet cable. Buy and install two wireless network adapters and plug into a USB port on each. Then use CD that comes with the router and follow instruction there and here on forum posts.
    Yes, between. The plug in process should be that simple. The cable is Cat 5. Then, yes, follow instructions. Expect some confusion.

    Quote Originally Posted by wetibbe View Post
    ... which brand ... what capacities.

    My setup had 2 computer in the same room 5 feet apart and a third in an adjacent room with a wall composed of wood 2 x4 covered with dry wall, plaster board, covered by wood paneling. Distance about 15 feet.
    My preference is Apple AirPort Extreme base station (incredibly easy to set up. possibly too easy for some very demanding users, possibly gamers). But, read here and don't get unless you find that this router now definitely is capable of set up from a Win8 machine. The brand is not going to be a big factor--as long as what you get will work properly with Win8. You will need to check this out for sure. No problem with Airport Extreme unless set up is an issue (my Win8 works perfectly with one (actually two), but I set it/them up using a Mac). Don't worry much about the wireless internal data transfer speeds. All good routers should be fast enough on this dimension for most users. Also, when getting data from the internet your internal speed can't be faster than your download speed--which undoubtedly will be adequate for any decent wireless router.

    I would get a dual band router if there are many wireless networks near you. Doing so will protect you from interference from the networks of others mainly. Note that you house should work well with one--because the range of the 5 GHz band is limited compared to the 2.4 GHz band. You would need the dongles to support 5 GHz and 2.4 Ghz. Read here--5 GHz and 2.4 GHz networking. Also, here.

    I would ignore the fact that looming is a new wireless standard (link to wireless-ac here) that will eclipse the wireless-n standard (doubt you'd want ac unless your new HP has this capability or you can find wireless-ac "dongles" for the other computers). Still, I would hesitate; read here.

    Quote Originally Posted by wetibbe View Post
    BTW I spoke to my internet service provider yesterday about data that may be required as to ISP addresses and so on. He said they would "give me" a wireless router free, come and install it and set up my network.
    That could be OK--at least the router (but see below). Would it definitely work with Win8? Check it out.

    Quote Originally Posted by wetibbe View Post
    I asked what the cost was and what the "catch" was. He said: Nothing, we just want satisfied customers. As the saying goes: " Beware of a Greek bearing gifts" . I have an aversion to freebies. There usually is a string attached. Has anyone ever heard of this from an ISP ?
    I thought it went: "Beware of geeks bearing gifts." Would I want someone to set my network up for me. Definitely not unless I knew the person's credentials very well. Is it a gip? Probably not. But, you can tell them to leave any time things seem to be getting scammy/scummy. They can't do you any harm if you don't let them do anything but install the router and see that it is working as far as your main computer--provided you insist they do no more that get you internet connectivity on your main computer. Be aware that it probably will take awhile for everything to activate (IP addresses, etc.) with your ISP. And, who is your ISP?
    Last edited by znod; 17 Dec 2012 at 12:35.
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    My ISP is Optimum, a division of Cablevision. I have my TV, phone and internet all in a package. I've been with them for many years and they are super good. Very prompt, very good tech support, very good field home visits.

    Now I'm weighing another issue. My new computer has Windows 8, #2, HP Pavilion p6207cb-bundle has Windows 7 and #3, HP Slimline s3037 TV pc, has Visa. Looks as though the two older models do have the system requirements for Windows 8. I may have to install Windows 8. From what I understand if I try to print from, Windows 7 or Vista onto my HP Office Jet Pro 8600 set for Windows 8 I am inviting a crash. So maybe I just won't print. Just transfer data/files.
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    Sorry I don't know anything about the issue: "From what I understand if I try to print from, Windows 7 or Vista onto my HP Office Jet Pro 8600 set for Windows 8 I am inviting a crash. So maybe I just won't print. Just transfer data/files."
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    Just want to clarify that fafhrd's input is still on the table and NOT being ignored. It is in the queue for evaluation. Much appreciated.

    Today I phoned my internet service provider to probe further into the "free" wireless router and installation. I got a different customer rep. He back pedaled a bit and said he had to check with his supervisor and contact the rep who promised me a free router. *( He wasn't in today ). *( But if the yesterday rep promised it would be honored ).

    The offer isn't a fluke or a gimmick. It is legit. Optimum, Cable Vision, New York, has been issuing free wireless routers. NO strings attached. I won't get a bill for rental. Won't have a rate increase. They will come to my home and set up the network free.

    The rep was candid. The competition is offering free wireless routers to lure customers away from Cable vision. He said the offer has created some problems. It is apparently some sort of enhanced program for preferred customers and not generally available to all. He said some people phoned in complaining that a neighbor got a free router and it they didn't get one too they would cancel !!!!

    I sort of think that they may be swamped. He said: If not now then eventually it will be available to all customers.

    I'm not much on handouts. Charity insults me. If this doesn't fly, which it apparently will, I won't cry. I'm not impoverishes. I pay my bills ahead of time religiously and my credit rating is 5 star excellent. I just have a very strong aversion to being indebted to anyone.

    I'm now tilting strongly to installing Windows 8 on the two older computers using a purchased Windows 8 Pro version for a "clean" install *( saving all files ) instead of an upgrade. I need the CD for future. This will be a partitioned disc install sharing with Windows 7 on the #2 and Vista on #3. Simultaneously with Windows 8.
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    Sounds like a plan. Triple boot might be a challenge. Also, you may want to install Win8 last (see this dual booting tutorial), although I am working on clarification on what happens if Win8 is installed first on, for example, a partition of a drive with Win7 installed second on another partition.

    Also, I may have missed a detail on possible install types with disc. I am wondering if the reset option I think you are talking about (i.e., "'clean' install ( saving all files) instead of an upgrade") is available for Win8 over Win7 (or Vista or XP). Of couse, it is available for Win8 over Win8.
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