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Who are windows 8 and how to launch a wireless network

  1. #11


    My ISP phoned me this AM to inform me that my FREE Netgear 600 series wireless router has been approved and that a technician will come Friday morning to install it and go on line.

    Netgear N600 Wireless Dual Band Router | Staples®

    However, he won't touch the other two computers and I have to buy my own USB plug and play wireless network adapters. *( Best Buy $29.99 each ). I'll pick those up today. Thereafter I can use the CD that comes with. And phone the ISP for more help.

    I have three options:

    #1. Just leave the HP Pavilion desk top with Windows 7 alone. And leave the HP Pavilion Slim line with Windows Vista alone too.

    #2. Partition the C drive and dual install Windows 8 along side Windows 7. And Windows 8 alongside Vista.

    #3. Upgrade Windows 7 and Windows Vista to Windows 8. Both computers do have adequate system requirements hard drive space *( 500 GB and 250 GB, adequate speed GHz, and ram as well as memory).

    I suppose that the terminology "clean install" could refer to a new hard drive that was empty and/or installing onto a HD that didn't have anything else on it. That opposed to buying a CD Windows 8 complete. Costco sells Windows 8 pro in both the complete new first time version and an upgrade version. Each $69.99. That opposed to downloading an upgrade from the internet. I have seen offers $29.99 and a Microsoft offer download $39.99. In the past I found that when I ran into trouble later, if I had a download from the internet, I did not have a CD which contains elements that "fix" problems. So I really do not care for downloads.

    From what I can gather Microsoft has three ( 3 ) versions of Windows 8: #1 Windows 8 regular up around $139. #2. Windows 8 pro *( either a full version or an upgrade on disc ( both $69.99 ). #3. A commercial version for large corporate networks, not sold to home users. Best Buy says the they don't even stock the Windows 8 regular. The W8 pro is better in any event. They can't explain it.

    It seems that the situation gets a little bit complicated as it has been said that the Windows 8 pro isn't conducive to install over a pre-existing previous version of Windows, however Windows 8 regular is ???? Further if I try to print from Vista or W7 computers to my printer set for Windows 8 I am inviting a crash.

    When the ISP tech rep comes Friday I will talk to him about this. However, any input from the forum is most welcome. I don't have a deadline. One step at a time. After I get the network up and running I will address the options. But it seems to me that the best will be to have Windows 8 on all three.

    Other issues are older software. For example I have Microsoft Works on both old computers but NOT in the new one. I have Microsoft Word on all three. I've saved many word processing files in Works. When I open them on the new computer in Word some are garbled symbols of computer programming language, Java, Fortran or some such. Completely unintelligible. So it seem that if I want these files I will need some old Microsoft Works capability. Or forget the files. That may not be much of a problem. It's a value decision. So far I haven't encountered any issues with photos or outside software such as Norton, Turbo Tax, Quicken, Google Earth, Microsoft Streets and Trips and others.

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  2. #12


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    Win7 Ult on DIY; Win8 Pro on MBP/Parallels; Win7 Ult on MBP/Boot Camp; Win7 Ult/Win8 Pro on HP


    Its good to think about options/potential problems at the outset. Personally, I'd make the initial stab at getting basic things working as simply as possible. I'd leave the old computers alone for now and see if you can get things to work more or less satisfactorily. I think you are going to have some problems whatever you do--possibly some that are not readily solvable. You might as well clearly see the full array of difficulties in the context of the old computers at the outset. You might decide that you'd rather live with those problems than to trade them for another set of problems.
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  3. #13


    Good advice, well taken.

    Now to add for the hopeful benefit of others - my experiences:

    Yesterday I visited Staples first, instead of Best Buy because they are closer. Spoke to the computer sales rep.


    I mentioned what Best Buy had said about Windows 8 pro costing $69.99 and Windows 8 regular $139. He said - bunk. Those guys say some things, customers come here and we have to correct the mis-information. Staples sells Windows 8 regular for $49 !!!!


    Further I detailed my anticipated network setup and mentioned that I was getting a Netgear N600 wireless router and needed Wireless USB network adapters. He showed me the Netgear G54/N150 wireless USB Micro Adapter. This teeny weeny thing is the size of my thumbnail !!!!!!! It plugs into the two old computers. I said: This better work and he said - it will. I phoned Netgear to check and that said all OK it's good to go.

    WNA1000M#

    I'm flabbergasted. Both the Best Buy and previous salesmen showed me a much bigger adapter from Netgear. *( Same price $29.99 ).

    When I set up a wired network a few years ago I had to buy and install in the desk top network cards and run wires all over.

    So technology is leaping ahead by leaps and bounds, And beware of sales types. These young guys sound very impressive but - enough said. Check, cross check and double check.
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  4. #14


    You couldn't pay me enough to dual boot anything with Windows 8. It's simply not dual boot friendly because it overwrites the boot partition of the older Op system. It works but it's not worth messing with.

    I'd perform a clean install.

    And you can still download Windows 8 Pro online for 40 bucks directly from Msoft. You would need to use your old Op systems to qualify for the upgrade offer and not use them anymore.

    As far as high tech goes, I'd get one of the newer routers with 802.11ac and get 802.11ac adaptors as well. It's potentially 4 times faster than the older wireless 802.11n. Your ISP has you renting the old Netgear router anyway so purchasing a new one would be cheaper in the long run.
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  5. #15


    Thanks:

    I'm thinking maybe I will transfer all from one old computer, to others elsewhere, and use a recovery disc that I have to start over. That will remove everything and re-install all that was on the computer when I purchased it. Then upgrade to Windows 8. Maybe leave the other alone.

    I have two computers with 500 GB each and one with 250 GB = 1,250 GP. In addition I have two HP pocked media external hard drives #1 500 GP and #2 80 GB = 580 GB; total: 1,830 GB. I couldn't use all of that no matter how I tried. The plan is to have backup and standby ready to go in the event of another crash which will no doubt happen some time down the road.

    Cablevision isn't renting the router. It's a free gift with no strings. The Netgear N600 sells for $69 - $79. The mini G54/N150 micro adapters $29.99 each.

    A Netgear 802.11ac router costs $199. Netgear introduced a less expensive version for $170. The compatible adapterts are $69 each. So the economics aren't working out:

    Cable Vision free router $ 0.00
    Netgear mini adapters $60.00
    _________________________________
    Total: $60.00


    Purchase 802.11AC

    Router $199.00
    Adapters $140.00
    _________________________
    Total $339.00

    From what I understand the 802.11ac is new this year and super fast. However, for my application and casual use, connecting occasionally to the older computers, it seems like buying a Ferrari when I need a little red Chevy pickup.

    Previously I had said there were lots of choices in the market place and I didn't want to have underperformance of excessive capacity that wasn't warranted.

    Making practical, appropriate, economical decisions is becoming increasingly complicated. But I appreciate all input very much. It is educational.
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  6. #16

    Update:


    Friends:

    I'm posting more in the spirit of sharing.

    This AM the Optimum Cable Vision tech rep came and installed the free Netgear N600 wireless dual band router. How simple, unplug plug - done. It's on line working and confirmed.

    Then I proceeded to set up the Netgear G54/N150 wireless USB micro adapter. Inserted the mini CD/DVD and ran the wizard. Then tried to get on line from the second computer. No didn't work. Admittedly I am a bit premature.

    Note that I had gone to Barnes & Noble and purchased the book Microsoft Step by Step, Network your computer and devices. But it was for Windows 7. I have windows 8 on the main and 7 on the ancillary.

    So I phoned Cablevision and cleared up a little burp about the system. They confirmed that I was on line but wouldn't touch the two others, understood, no problem.

    So I phoned Netgear explaining that I had just acquired their router and adapters and I wasn't able yet to make the LAN work. He *( heavy Indian accent, asked if he could put me on hold ) then came back and said:


    * This isn't a warranty problem.

    * There is a charge for the service.

    * That will be $200.


    I said: I can't afford that. He said: OK how about $150. Nope, to much. He said - how much will you pay -----???

    This was no actually Netgear but an apparent surrogate or sub-contractor which I got from Googling.

    Further he said that they don't as yet have system procedures for Windows 8.


    This is the same rigmarole I got years back when I set up a wired LAN just after Windows introduced a new version.
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  7. #17


    Quote Originally Posted by wetibbe View Post
    Thanks:

    I'm thinking maybe I will transfer all from one old computer, to others elsewhere, and use a recovery disc that I have to start over. That will remove everything and re-install all that was on the computer when I purchased it. Then upgrade to Windows 8. Maybe leave the other alone.

    I have two computers with 500 GB each and one with 250 GB = 1,250 GP. In addition I have two HP pocked media external hard drives #1 500 GP and #2 80 GB = 580 GB; total: 1,830 GB. I couldn't use all of that no matter how I tried. The plan is to have backup and standby ready to go in the event of another crash which will no doubt happen some time down the road.

    Cablevision isn't renting the router. It's a free gift with no strings. The Netgear N600 sells for $69 - $79. The mini G54/N150 micro adapters $29.99 each.

    A Netgear 802.11ac router costs $199. Netgear introduced a less expensive version for $170. The compatible adapterts are $69 each. So the economics aren't working out:

    Cable Vision free router $ 0.00
    Netgear mini adapters $60.00
    _________________________________
    Total: $60.00


    Purchase 802.11AC

    Router $199.00
    Adapters $140.00
    _________________________
    Total $339.00

    From what I understand the 802.11ac is new this year and super fast. However, for my application and casual use, connecting occasionally to the older computers, it seems like buying a Ferrari when I need a little red Chevy pickup.

    Previously I had said there were lots of choices in the market place and I didn't want to have underperformance of excessive capacity that wasn't warranted.

    Making practical, appropriate, economical decisions is becoming increasingly complicated. But I appreciate all input very much. It is educational.
    Oh I know exactly what they cost but to me it's worth it. And as you can see, the cost of a service charge would have covered the cost of the newer and better router which would also require NO service calls.

    You were asking about high tech and I took it upon myself to show you there is high tech available.

    I don't concern myself with cost, I only try to answer the questions posed.

    And I still insist that dual booting with Windows 8 is a big mistake, don't do it.
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  8. #18


    Friends:

    Friday December 21, 2012 - 5:16 PM EST USA - Chestnut Ridge, New York.

    Cable Vision came this AM a 9:00 and installed my new Netgear N600 wireless dual, band router, free, no rental, no fee.

    The communication with computer #2 and #3 was not addressed. Out of scope.

    Phoned Netgear from their website tech support number. Got Netgear and NOT some surrogate, parasites.

    We went through the requisites in 5 minutes and I am ON LINE with computer #2.

    No BS, no scams, no demands. No money.

    I registered my gifted router and the two ancillary LAN wireless USB plug & play adapters.

    They asked me who my ISP was and they already know what the score is. They immediately recognized Optimum, Cable Vision.

    I pay very close attention to the input from posters. Thus I moved all data from Computer #2 to ancillary HP pocket external hard drive. This is actually the computer that suffered a crash and had a new HD drive installed a couple of weeks ago so not much was on it.

    This is basically an empty computer that I will now upgrade to Windows 8.

    Computer #3 is for the moment not a compelling issue. I will deal with it in due course.

    Thanks to for participation. Very much appreciated.

    Bill Tibbe
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