What REALLY is the windows 8 pro upgrade

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So i keep reading over and over again about how there will be a windows 8 pro upgrade for $36 (digital) and $69 (DVD). my question is do these "upgrades" absolutely REQUIRE a previous version of windows to be installed before running or can you simply purchase one and install a completely clean copy of win8 onto a formatted HDD with no version of windows whatsoever...

i'm the type of guy who likes to do a completely clean install of everything and although im hesitant of win8 these prices are hard to pass up since i will most likely move to the OS sooner or later anyway. when i install win8 i plan to do it on a completely wiped and formatted system so my question is, is this possible with the digital copy (can i download and burn it in .iso so i can preform a install from boot) or will the $69 DVD option allow me to install from boot as well? (im concerned about the word "upgrade" and that even though its on a DVD it will check for a current windows OS installation before proceeding, eliminating the possibility of doing a clean install.

if anyone here has any answers for me it would be much appreciated :)
 

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You can perform an clean install with the media and Ed Bott said that having a prior version of Windows physically installed was not a requirement, you must just have a CoA sticker or proof of having a previous license for a prior version of Windows.
 

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i thought those requirements were only for purchasing the $14.99 version (for pc's purchased between june 2nd 2012 and january 13th 2013) i wasn't aware of any "verification" for the standard "upgrade" media and DVD purchases... how will they check to verify purchase if you do it online and how will they check for instore purchase of DVD????? im very curious now because it sounds like less of an upgrade and more of a full windows 8 pro but with a background check prior to purchase ...
 

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My understanding was that you needed to be running a prior version of windows to buy the upgrade copy. from there, you can install clean. In the event down the road that you had to start over, (for example, hard drive died), i don't think you need to first install windows 7 and then upgrade to Windows 8 again. I might be wrong though. I don't buy upgrades...i usually buy the OEM or retail versions because it's almost always going on a new computer.


More reading seems to be indicating the latter though, you are going to need to have XP, Vista or 7 on the hard drive first and then be given a clean install option. Another great reason to make an image right after install.

This seems to confirm that you will need an installed OS on that hard drive: Windows 8: New Installation with Upgrade not possible

Sorry to have been confusing and incorrect in my first responses.
 

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Latest news is that you can upgrade on Win8 RP.

"Computerworld got it right. Assuming the customer had a previous version of Windows installed before Release Preview, they’ll be able to upgrade from the Release Preview. They won’t need to reinstall the previous version to do the upgrade; they can just upgrade on top of the Release Preview."

Microsoft confirms Windows 8 testers to get $40 upgrade price, too | ZDNet
 

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In follow-up answers, Microsoft said that users running Windows 8 Release Preview -- the newer of the two sneak peeks, shipped on May 31 -- can upgrade using the Windows.com upgrade tool and pay the $40.
However, the only bits that are retained during that upgrade are personal data files. Other elements, including the applications, Windows settings and user accounts that migrate from Windows 7, do not.

FAQ: Microsoft offers cheapest-ever Windows upgrade - Computerworld
 

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i thought those requirements were only for purchasing the $14.99 version (for pc's purchased between june 2nd 2012 and january 13th 2013) i wasn't aware of any "verification" for the standard "upgrade" media and DVD purchases... how will they check to verify purchase if you do it online and how will they check for instore purchase of DVD????? im very curious now because it sounds like less of an upgrade and more of a full windows 8 pro but with a background check prior to purchase ...


I believe you don't need any verification to get the 14.99 version(copy). If you have Xp, Vista, 7 or 8RP you can do the upgrade to Win 8 RTM. In the case of 8RP you will not keep settings, files or programs. I have 8RP and when I get the RTM I'll do a clean instillation and not upgrade.

http://www.eightforums.com/tutorials/2299-clean-install-windows-8-a.html?filter
 

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so what we are really getting down to is that if you want a clean install, you need to have a NON-upgrade, OEM version of windows 8........

what would happen if you purchase a windows 8 pro upgrade for the KEY so you have a legal copy but install using an OEM DVD. will the upgrade key be recognized on OEM DVD?
 

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so what we are really getting down to is that if you want a clean install, you need to have a NON-upgrade, OEM version of windows 8........

what would happen if you purchase a windows 8 pro upgrade for the KEY so you have a legal copy but install using an OEM DVD. will the upgrade key be recognized on OEM DVD?

You can do a clean install of Win8 RTM you get from from the download. All you need is follow the instructions here:
This will show you how to do a clean install of Windows 8 RTM or Windows 8 Release Preview.
http://www.eightforums.com/tutorials/2299-clean-install-windows-8-a.html?filter

And Here:
http://www.eightforums.com/tutorials/2227-create-bootable-usb-dvd-windows-8-iso.html

The latter is the instructions on how to create the bookable DVD. And the first is how to do a clean install with the download.

HTH
 

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That tutorial is not based off the upgrade disc howver.
 

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Let me try to clear this up a bit. At first MS was not going to allow an upgrade of Win8 RTM to RP. Now they will. There are lots of links out there with the old news but there are now new ones with the change in requirements.


I imagine that to get the 39.99 version of the RTM your computer will be either scanned or you will be asked for a valid key of a previous version of Xp, Vista or 7. From there you can download and create a bookable DVD, boot the PC and use the new key you get for the RTM and do a clean install.
 

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That tutorial is not based off the upgrade disc howver.

correct, that information seems to be based of RP and why concern is that the upgrade media will not allow such methods to be used. i am concerned that while a "clean install" in the sense is possible with the upgrade version a complete install from formatted drive is NOT possible, im still concerned, one way or another, that a previous windows version will be required on the HDD before the upgrade install will proceed.
 

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A link to what? The rtm disk that was used was either a leak, or technet/msdn copy that is a full version...not an upgrade version. As far as I know, this upgrade ISO has not been distributed via any channels thus far.
 

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A link to what? The rtm disk that was used was either a leak, or technet/msdn copy that is a full version...not an upgrade version. As far as I know, this upgrade ISO has not been distributed via any channels thus far.

I know that... I just was referring to the RTM that comes out on 8/26 and not a leaked version. My question is can I or anyone do a clean install over 8RP if you have say Win7 there before you did the upgrade to Win8 RP??

That tutorial is not based off the upgrade disc howver.

Your previous comment stated that the link to the instillation instruction would not work with the download RTM version.
So according to you I would need to get the Win8RTM from say, Amazon or Staples to do the clean install..

Please correct me on this..

And again TIA
Jeff
 

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Sorry, my comment was for the OP. You need an os on the hard drive to install the upgrade, but you can elect a clean install. However, if you format your hard drive first and then try a clean install with the upgrade disc, its not going to work. You would need a full disc for this.
 

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Sorry, my comment was for the OP. You need an os on the hard drive to install the upgrade, but you can elect a clean install. However, if you format your hard drive first and then try a clean install with the upgrade disc, its not going to work. You would need a full disc for this.

Oh thanks for the information. It's good to pick your brain. Thanks again.
Jeff
 

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Sorry, my comment was for the OP. You need an os on the hard drive to install the upgrade, but you can elect a clean install. However, if you format your hard drive first and then try a clean install with the upgrade disc, its not going to work. You would need a full disc for this.


thank you, although this sucks butt it's what i expected.

now, my next question, if i purchase the "upgrade" copy simply for the install key, can i use this key on a FULL OEM install disk (so that way i can install on a formatted drive)?

i get this also crosses into the questionably legal realm but in my mind it's okay because i'm purchasing an upgrade, for an upgrade, i just want to format my system first, (and i have a bad habbit of formating my system and completely starting fresh ~ every 12 months or so, so this is somewhat of a requirement in an install method)

i guess to better phrase the question would be is the upgrade CD-Key somehow 'tagged' as being upgrade only and not full or is it just a win8 pro key and doesn't care how its used as long as its used for win8 pro. i plan to torrent a OEM full win8 pro DVD after i purchase the key if this method is possible.
 

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If you had a full oem disc, why would you not have a full oem key?
 

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Install it once, immediately image. Why would you actually need to perform an install again. An image right after install is the same exact thing.
 

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    Case
    Antec P182
    Cooling
    stock
    Keyboard
    ABS M1 Mechanical
    Mouse
    Logitech G9 Laser Mouse
    Internet Speed
    15/2 cable modem
    Other Info
    Windows and Linux enthusiast. Logitech G35 Headset.
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