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Suggested Steps To Take Installing And Setting Up Windows 8

  1. #11


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    You're welcome Hugo.
    As someone else said "it's a gear grinder for me!" ... a bugaboo

    anyway... we don't have voice commands yet > "computer > copy group "abc" to the start screen" program complete

    We used to have to create shortcuts and save, copy and paste them somewhere. Now, in 8, its pin and unpin. My focus is on pinning to the start screen only those needed frequently...others have their own preference.

    It's all pinning to the start screen or unpinning from the start screen > same difference.
    As far as clicks go, 1 click or 3, it's still easy.

    If one is at the desktop screen, then go to charms, click (magnifying glass > search),
    at this point one would be at the all apps area. Unfortunately or not, the autohide feature of the edge UI keeps it out there until one presses escape or clicks again. Also available from the start screen or metro IE or anywhere else > charms to search and click "apps."

    There are some folks that like to have 70 or 80 tiles on the start screen which I think is a bit much. That is their preference. I try to limit the tile count to 12 or less, usually, ... doing frequent work on the desktop, one could pin or unpin things to the taskbar as well.

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    HG's sticky thread is useful, helpful. Comprehensive. "Some of us" here, have been using 8 as their primary OS for almost a year. My preference is to not be in favor of group blocks on the start screen, because they tend to duplicate what is in the all apps area and my field of vision is less offended by a minimal number of apps and tiles on the start screen.
    Last edited by mdmd; 21 Sep 2012 at 15:07.

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  2. #12


    Quote Originally Posted by Hugo View Post
    Is there a way to move an entire group of apps to the Start page? When you right-click on the Start page, a little "All apps" icon appears at the bottom right of the screen. If you click on it, all the apps appear in groups. Among others, you can see Windows Accessories. Is there a way to move that group to the Start page, and then remove the apps you don't want from that group once it's on the Start page?

    Thank you.
    Hi Hugo. I don't know of any way to move a group like that. I'm on my 7 side right now. I doubt if this works, but does holding Ctrl key down while selecting keep adding to the group just as in past WEs group selecting?
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    Hello HG. No multi selects to "pin to start" from the all apps area to the start screen. One "pin to start" at a time. No copy or paste either. How long does it take to pin 8 programs? ...
    ...20 seconds?
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  4. #14


    Quote Originally Posted by mdmd View Post
    Hello HG. No multi selects to "pin to start" from the all apps area to the start screen. One "pin to start" at a time. No copy or paste either. How long does it take to pin 8 programs? ...
    ...20 seconds?
    You're correct. It doesn't take too long.
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  5. #15


    I'd like to take time here to point out what's stated in the opening paragraphs. This is a "we" undertaking. If anyone would like to add or edit to correct information may do so by posting or PMing one of the contacts. Thanx.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HippsieGypsie View Post
    Personalization (section H)
    After lots of Desktop app installing, your All Apps screen with new program links such as help files, can make opening items from that screen less quick.
    This makes no sense to me. How would program links such as help files make opening items from that screen less quick? The all apps area is identical in click count to the start screen. To the corner spot and click tile - To the all apps area is charms (search) press and click link. Same thing.

    Quote Originally Posted by HippsieGypsie View Post
    Personalization (section H)
    To clean up items on both Start and All Apps screen, right click on a Desktop tile, and on the bottom, select Open file location. This will take you to the Desktop File Explorer where you can delete in mass these shortcuts. Keep in mind, deleting certain folders, such as Startup, will make you lose access to the Startup tab in Task Manager to enable or disable startup items.
    Kind of reckless to advise deleting shortcuts en masse. When I first started using 8, I also thought the all apps area needed to be edited. But the reality is, editing the all apps area makes no sense at all. The all apps area is where the organization is maintained by the operating system and deleting folders or shortcuts made by installations is illogical. Any operations that are sent to the startup area in Task Manager can be disabled. These features might be needed at a later date and would be available to be enabled.

    Quote Originally Posted by HippsieGypsie View Post
    Setup/Personalization (section B)
    Arrange Modern tiles and name groups on Start Screen. Straightway after you install, itís recommended you title the groups of tiles so that when you install other apps or legacy programs those new tiles are added at the end of the Start Screen where they are easily accessible to work with. You can add the tiles to another group, unpin them, and/or title that group of tiles. Otherwise, this gets to be a big mess and chore
    Where did this rule come from? Why would anyone want start screen(s)? Why would you want to duplicate the all apps area? The Operating System organizes the all apps. If you only need 14 tiles total (example) on the start screen for everyday use, why have 60? Intermittent use can be easily executed from all apps.

    Quote Originally Posted by HippsieGypsie View Post
    Personalization (section F)
    By default, you will not see the items that were once on the legacy Windows Start Menu on the new Start Screen. This is partly due to Microsoftís push to put the new apps on display. To get items such as Libraries, Computer, and/or Control Panel, you will need to pin them to Start.
    Where did the Press Release come from that stated items such as Libraries, Computer and/or Control Panel are not on the start screen because of "Microsoft's push" to put the new apps on display? The Libraries are available from the all apps area running either File Explorer or Computer. Libraries do not need to be pinned to the start screen. The desktop tile is a logical place to begin the "traditional experience."

    Quote Originally Posted by HippsieGypsie View Post
    Personalization (section F)
    You will need to pin Computer and Control Panel.
    Why do you need to pin Computer and Control Panel ? They are readily accessible from many points and there is no need for them to be on the start screen. No need unless that is your preference.

    If someone using a "computer" (not a toaster) does not understand "F1 - help" or in Windows 8 moving the mouse to the edge to access charms (edge UI) - search - start - settings - power etc... then I question their skill set and they indeed may need help.
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  7. #17


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    Quote Originally Posted by mdmd View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by HippsieGypsie View Post
    Personalization (section H)
    After lots of Desktop app installing, your All Apps screen with new program links such as help files, can make opening items from that screen less quick.
    This makes no sense to me. How would program links such as help files make opening items from that screen less quick? The all apps area is identical in click count to the start screen. To the corner spot and click tile - To the all apps area is charms (search) press and click link. Same thing.

    Quote Originally Posted by HippsieGypsie View Post
    Personalization (section H)
    To clean up items on both Start and All Apps screen, right click on a Desktop tile, and on the bottom, select Open file location. This will take you to the Desktop File Explorer where you can delete in mass these shortcuts. Keep in mind, deleting certain folders, such as Startup, will make you lose access to the Startup tab in Task Manager to enable or disable startup items.
    Kind of reckless to advise deleting shortcuts en masse. When I first started using 8, I also thought the all apps area needed to be edited. But the reality is, editing the all apps area makes no sense at all. The all apps area is where the organization is maintained by the operating system and deleting folders or shortcuts made by installations is illogical. Any operations that are sent to the startup area in Task Manager can be disabled. These features might be needed at a later date and would be available to be enabled.



    Where did this rule come from? Why would anyone want start screen(s)? Why would you want to duplicate the all apps area? The Operating System organizes the all apps. If you only need 14 tiles total (example) on the start screen for everyday use, why have 60? Intermittent use can be easily executed from all apps.

    Quote Originally Posted by HippsieGypsie View Post
    Personalization (section F)
    By default, you will not see the items that were once on the legacy Windows Start Menu on the new Start Screen. This is partly due to Microsoftís push to put the new apps on display. To get items such as Libraries, Computer, and/or Control Panel, you will need to pin them to Start.
    Where did the Press Release come from that stated items such as Libraries, Computer and/or Control Panel are not on the start screen because of "Microsoft's push" to put the new apps on display? The Libraries are available from the all apps area running either File Explorer or Computer. Libraries do not need to be pinned to the start screen. The desktop tile is a logical place to begin the "traditional experience."

    Quote Originally Posted by HippsieGypsie View Post
    Personalization (section F)
    You will need to pin Computer and Control Panel.
    Why do you need to pin Computer and Control Panel ? They are readily accessible from many points and there is no need for them to be on the start screen. No need unless that is your preference.

    If someone using a "computer" (not a toaster) does not understand "F1 - help" or in Windows 8 moving the mouse to the edge to access charms (edge UI) - search - start - settings - power etc... then I question their skill set and they indeed may need help.
    Hello there mdmd! The suggestions here are based on different usage scenarios, four quotes you point out are my suggestions, the four after the first quote.

    You can say it is reckless to delete en masse many shortcut links, but when you have about...
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    ...a few screens worth of All Apps to the point where Windows is whipping out the Windows Phone All Apps letter jumplist on you, it gets kind of important to have a properly trimmed All Apps screen; especially if you access it more than a few times. The shortcuts that I delete are the HTML help files you'll never click on, uninstaller files as if the program tile is on Start, one can right click and hit Uninstall and it takes you to Programs and Features to uninstall it. It's the same concept with the start menu, I used to clean up the All Programs list by getting rid of superfluous folders and shortcuts, and moving the relevant ones up in the All Programs list, which in 8, the folders in the start menu of All Programs are basically All Apps, and the relevant links in All Programs above the folders are the Start Screen in 8. It's easier to get to a program that's not muddled by several superfluous links and help files that you don't need. If I need a program that I don't have on Start, I'd rather get to it faster since I can glance at the tile versus scanning though a small list of links I don't ever need. From what I've seen, if you get rid of the Startup folder from File Explorer and go to the Startup tab in Task Manager, you lose access to disable the startup items as the directory is messed up. Reinstating that folder puts those startup items back into view in Task Manager. I did that when I installed the RTM, and I had about a dozen startup entries that I didn't know were starting up. Wisdom says not to delete folders UNLESS YOU ARE CERTAIN it won't affect anything. If not, don't delete the folder.

    The recommendation to arrange your tiles into groups or whatever after program installs comes from usage experience as well. I too have used Windows 8 for more than a year, and this comes from that. You don't necessarily need to do such after EVERY program install, but you should do it so you don't forget. so you're not faced with a littering of tiles that make you go, "What the f words?!" I have multiple Start Screens personally as I would rather have quick access to the things I need often (which I do need often) at a simple click or a slight scroll over. This piece of wisdom we impart onto the reader as Windows 8 is new, Start Screen is new and it won't come to be fairly obvious to most people as it does with us. Pretty much every install of Windows 7 I've done, the start menu was always cleaned and trimmed up for faster access to program shortcuts. Every performance configuration I've done on a PC after it has been used often will have a crap ton of crap in the start menu to the point where the UI element isn't used anymore, typing in a search query is most likely used versus manual searching. The point of the Start Screen (one of many) is to eliminate that scenario so instead of typing in a search, the user can just quickly scope out a tile, and click it. Now, if the user is faced with a huge block of tiles, with mixed programs and help files here and there, the same scenario from 7 has the potential of coming back. But thankfully, the Start Screen has a few things the user can do to organize things to their liking. I personally group tiles together based on usage and category. A couple of friends of mine that have been using Windows 8 for more than a year have different things they do to it. One just pins very few items to it, like Desktop, four different media playing programs, Office 2013 apps they need, and a few metro apps. The other one groups the metro apps together and arranges them along with some other Desktop programs they use. Both don't have libraries or Computer or Control Panel pinned, which annoys me when I use their puter. They both use Explorer jumplist to navigate around. Control Panel isn't used often enough. But again, to the reader reading the suggested tips of configuring as they are arriving to Windows 8 and seeing this totally different UI, they will need items that were once on the start menu onto the Start Screen to bridge the change.

    The press hasn't said anything about Microsoft's push for metro apps over Desktop items on the Start Screen. This is based on my speculation. By default, after installing Windows 8, the Start Screen is a mosaic of Microsoft's apps: Calendar, Mail, People, Bing, Travel, ect. There isn't one Desktop item other than the Desktop tile on the Start Screen. Considering Microsoft is pushing for app development for Windows 8 (i.e. WinRT apps) and the idea that soon, the Desktop won't be hugely needed in the future as Microsoft will most likely develop the rest of the needed Desktop items like File Explorer, Control Panel and such into the WinRT base. That is most likely their coding future as they move past Win32, and move into WinRT and MinWin technology. Yes, the Desktop tile can be used to go into the Desktop and navigate around, but again, Windows 8 can easily be configured into a Desktop oriented OS. Start Screen can definitely take place of the start menu, which we've been using for 17 or so years. I personally don't use jumplists a bunch, but I know people that do. It's up to the user, as the suggested tips give ideas to what the user can do.

    Like you've said, it's up to user preference. I use the Start Screen differently than you as do others. This here thread gives suggested tips to make installing Windows 8 and configuring/personalizing the Start Screen more or less difficult to the new Windows 8 user that is moving up to it from 7, or vista, or xp, or GOD forbid 2000. You and I have been using Windows 8 since the early DP days, so we literally do know a huge chunk, if not all, of the ins and outs of Windows 8 and the Start Screen compared to some "testers", let alone the person that just installed it probably this week or later this month or later this year or later next year.
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  8. #18


    Originally Posted by HippsieGypsie
    Setup/Personalization (section B)
    Arrange Modern tiles and name groups on Start Screen. Straightway after you install, itís recommended you title the groups of tiles so that when you install other apps or legacy programs those new tiles are added at the end of the Start Screen where they are easily accessible to work with. You can add the tiles to another group, unpin them, and/or title that group of tiles. Otherwise, this gets to be a big mess and chore
    Originally Posted by mdmd
    Where did this rule come from? Why would anyone want start screen(s)? Why would you want to duplicate the all apps area? The Operating System organizes the all apps. If you only need 14 tiles total (example) on the start screen for everyday use, why have 60? Intermittent use can be easily executed from all apps.
    Hi mdmd. I'm glad to see you post your concerns.

    This suggestion is mine. I found that unless I organized my Start Screen right after I installed 8, it got quite lengthy after installing more apps or legacy programs. It was quite unorganized and was a big chore for me to organize in groups, name them (if desired), unpin some tiles, move groups, etc. If performed straightway, any new tiles are added to the end of the screen where they are easily identified and easier to work with so far as moving one or all them to a group, unpinning them, grouping them, naming that group, etc.

    I hope we have satisfied you questions and concerns. We will discuss to possibly edit these to explain them more thoroughly. If you or any member wishes to rewrite for to edit or desire to add your suggestion, please feel free to do so. We strive to make this a "We" project.

    Again, thanks for posting.
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    Hello CR and HG.

    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    You can say it is reckless to delete en masse many shortcut links, but when you have about...
    That's not many! OMG, your all apps is very clean! It seems to me a waste of time to start doing the same irritating house work in 8 as in all previous versions of Windows when it (from my point of view) is unnecessary. It may be an old habit. The "delete en masse" is the curious action that perhaps may not be a good idea. Certainly not necessary. All of this is preference. You are right and anyone is right to do as they see fit to do. It's ok with me.

    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    it gets kind of important to have a properly trimmed All Apps screen; especially if you access it more than a few times.
    I wouldn't use the all apps as a replacement for the start screen.

    I am happy to make no effort to edit the all apps because that is the same kind of work as editing the corner mess orb. > That is why I like semantic zoom. You could have thousands of links on 20 screens in all apps and they will have quick access to by OS organization. With everything on 1 screen, no nesting, I am a happy camper. It seems effortless to pick and click even with a full screen of links in all apps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    The recommendation to arrange your tiles into groups or whatever after program installs comes from usage experience as well.
    Groups and naming groups are a great idea, and if one needs start screen(s), that's ok with me. It's all about preference. The tendency to duplicate the all apps and unneeded start screen tile placement is what grinds my chalkboard.

    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    The press hasn't said anything about Microsoft's push for metro apps over Desktop items on the Start Screen.
    Without getting a little conspiratorial, perhaps the design engineers considered the placement of the desktop features in all apps, winx, and edge UI, a good place to start. Any of which can be pinned or unpinned at anytime. Preference.

    Yes, the "suggested steps to take"... It's a good place to start.
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    Best of Luck to all using Windows Whatever.
    Live long and prosper.
    Resistance is futile.
    Last edited by mdmd; 14 Oct 2012 at 15:35.
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