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  1. #11


    Yellow Belly
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    Windows 8.1 with Bing x64


    Quote Originally Posted by brooksndun View Post
    Ok, that makes more sense. Thank you both. I now finally see what you are referring to when you say "do the small drives"..

    So if I was to not "image" those "smaller" drives, that just means I can't restore from factory anymore right? Or will Windows actually not run because it needs those?


    That's my last question and then this is solved..
    If you don't image those drives nothing changes. I only suggest you do them once each so you can put one back if it gets corrupted.

    Someone could correct me on this because I'm new to W8.1 but as long as you don't mess with the position or size of the drives using a partition tool you should still keep your ability to do an oem factory reset if you wanted to. C: drive is the only one you should concern yourself with imaging-wise on a regular basis I think.

    To be clear: If you look at the screenshot, whatever drive is not checked will not be copied or replaced ...it will be intact. If you copy only C, only C will be put back and the others won't be touched ...the same goes with copies of the other drives.

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  2. #12


    Harrisonburg, Va.
    Posts : 10,488
    Windows 8.1.1 Pro with Media Center


    I image all my drives.

    The smaller ones take very little time to image.

    I have Macrium set to auto-verify the image.
    This adds 20 minutes to the process on my computer.

    There is the option to just backup the drives needed to restore Windows.
    I would rather have everything restored.

    I use high compression.
    My 45 GBs of drives compresses to about 20 GBs in the image.
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  3. #13


    Greece
    Posts : 341
    Win8.1 64bit, Windows 10 TP on VMWare Player


    Quote Originally Posted by brooksndun View Post
    I now want to image that "custom" windows I just did.. (you know, I uninstalled norton etc..)
    There is an additional option you could also consider. Now you have your system set up as you want it, you can create a Custom Recovery Image that would let you refresh your system (get a clean set of Windows files) without losing the programs you have installed or getting the bloatware back.

    This isn't the same as the System Image. Your System Image will give you your programs and files at the time you create it. So if you don't use it for some time, you will need an up to date copy of your files and folders to complement it, otherwise you could lose stuff you've done, and any new changes you've made since you created it (programs, settings) would also be lost.

    Each has its uses.

    This tutorial explains more: Refresh Windows 8 - Create and Use Custom Recovery Image
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  4. #14


    Harrisonburg, Va.
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    you will need an up to date copy of your files and folders to complement it, otherwise you could lose stuff you've done
    I make a new image after getting Windows Updates or making other changes.

    I keep 2 images.
    It takes time but it is time well spent in my opinion.

    I also have factory recovery disks.
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  5. #15


    Harrisonburg, Va.
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    Windows 8.1.1 Pro with Media Center


    Also, formatting your usb as NTFS will result in 1 big image file.

    Using Fat32 will result in a bunch of 4 GB size files.

    I prefer 1 big file.
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  6. #16


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    Windows 3.1 > Windows 10


    A full system image is the best way to go.. Or at least keep and have one... As that image will contain ALL the system partitions..

    Then you make windows partition back up images as you go...

    Then if need be you be you restore the whole system back to a working state and then restore your windows to the latest backup version..

    The reason I say this is, although you may get a windows virus, it is usually a system file failure in a system partition that causes the data lose..
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  7. #17


    Hi,

    Now everybody chips in! ha.

    The Bold points are the important keys to either what you need to know, or what I need to know from you guys

    So I like all your ideas, but now I'm just getting mixed between systems of restoring..

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    1. I was originally going to make a Macrium (free) Boot Recovery USB.

    2. I was going to then use that Boot USB (macrium) to image (apparently) all drives (including the "smaller" ones) [there is only 1 hard drive but i guess all the extra hidden partitions are the "smaller drives"]

    3. I will then have a image of my hard drive of the toshiba laptop (including the "smaller drives" [hidden partitions]
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    now, what is the point of using a "custom refresh" or anything else because, wouldn't after I installed some more programs and I like my system a month down the road just why wouldn't I just use the Macrium boot usb again and create an image again ???

    yes i understand having 2 or 3 backups .. I could do that.. but why now all the custom refresh and different ways.. I thought Macrium just "clones"/"images" the entire drive and i was going to try to save that image to the Macrium usb boot stick. -(that newly created image size would be a fresh windows 8.1 install, and my usb is only 32 gigs though so I'm not sure if it will fit.)

    that was my plan.. so now with that information, which "method is most efficient/secure/ just better?

    -and if I "compress" the images would that do anything later down the road for example does that make it read slower when restoring etc?
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  8. #18


    Harrisonburg, Va.
    Posts : 10,488
    Windows 8.1.1 Pro with Media Center


    Quote Originally Posted by brooksndun View Post
    Hi,

    Now everybody chips in! ha.

    The Bold points are the important keys to either what you need to know, or what I need to know from you guys

    So I like all your ideas, but now I'm just getting mixed between systems of restoring..

    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    1. I was originally going to make a Macrium (free) Boot Recovery USB.

    2. I was going to then use that Boot USB (macrium) to image (apparently) all drives (including the "smaller" ones) [there is only 1 hard drive but i guess all the extra hidden partitions are the "smaller drives"]

    3. I will then have a image of my hard drive of the toshiba laptop (including the "smaller drives" [hidden partitions]
    ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------


    now, what is the point of using a "custom refresh" or anything else because, wouldn't after I installed some more programs and I like my system a month down the road just why wouldn't I just use the Macrium boot usb again and create an image again ???

    yes i understand having 2 or 3 backups .. I could do that.. but why now all the custom refresh and different ways.. I thought Macrium just "clones"/"images" the entire drive and i was going to try to save that image to the Macrium usb boot stick. -(that newly created image size would be a fresh windows 8.1 install, and my usb is only 32 gigs though so I'm not sure if it will fit.)

    that was my plan.. so now with that information, which "method is most efficient/secure/ just better?

    -and if I "compress" the images would that do anything later down the road for example does that make it read slower when restoring etc?
    I quoted the whole post to make it easier to respond to.

    A picture---

    Click image for larger version

    I format my usb's as NTFS, hence the 1 big image file.

    High compression under Edit Defaults under Other Tasks tab.

    Click image for larger version

    Using this method it takes about 2 hours to make an image.
    About 25 minutes to restore an image.

    I use the Standard version which has the boot time menu which makes restoring an image easier.

    Click image for larger version

    I keep 2 images.
    I format the oldest to use to make a new image with.
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  9. #19


    Yellow Belly
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    Windows 8.1 with Bing x64


    David Bailey, looking at your drive I see why you do it all at once. I forgot I shrink my original 400GB C drive to about 50GB then make a data partition with the unallocated space that's left. I backup important stuff in my data partition to an external. There isn't any point repeatedly imaging my data drive along with C.

    brooksndun - All the partitions on a hard drive are 'virtual' drives; Windows sees them as separate hard drives that's why they are sometimes called 'drives'. Partitions and drives, as names for the drive letters, are used interchangeably.
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  10. #20


    Hi,

    Ok i'm going to try Macrium Reflect, select all my partitions/disks and then just backup/create image.. I may or may not do compress but I probably will have to if it doesn't fit on the USB.

    thanks. I will mark this as "solved" once I fully finish the backup.

    Later on, after I imaged the entire drive once. Then, I would only have to back up the windows partition (C:\) later on if I wanted later images.. correct? and with that, It wouldn't overwrite the "efi" and other "partitions" if I don't have them checked/ticked in Macrium Reflect correct. I would only select/check/tick the C: and then backup that.. it would then only overwrite the C: I'm assuming from what I read earlier.

    Hope that makes sense. I think we are on the end of this post here.
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