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Lots of Problems after Refresh - what is the best solution

  1. #11


    San Jose - California
    Posts : 2,847
    8.1x64PWMC Ubuntu14.04x64 MintMate17x64


    @David,
    I pointed that out in my post---

    The paid Standard version has a boot time menu option that makes it easy to use your usb drive.
    Sorry, My bad, I did not read the whole post. However, it is very easy to set up dual boot with Free Macrium. I posted in W10 Forum.
    I'll repost again here:

    With the paid version of Macrium. There is an option that allows you to create a dual boot environment with Macrium Recue disk. However, with the free version, this option is not available.

    The advantage to dual boot with Macrium Rescue disk are as follows:

    1. If you own an old PC which does not have the Boot Menu available. You don't need to change the Boot Priority in the BIOS to boot from the Macrium Rescue disk (CD/USB)
    2. Save yourself a CD/USB for other use.
    3. Boot faster from the SSD/HD.
    4. Start up repair if your PC becomes unbootable.
    5. Macrium rescue disk does have its own "File Explorer" version so you can recover data using drag and drop from unbootable Windows partition.



    Here's how:

    1. Create a folder called macrium under C: drive
    2. Copy everything from the Macrium Rescue disk to this folder (C:\macrium)
    3. Create a BAT file as shown below. You can use copy/paste to create a BAT file and save it as .bat extension.
      Code:
      @echo off
      echo Configuring Dual boot Macrium Recovery Environment
      
      bcdedit.exe /CREATE {ramdiskoptions} /d "Ramdisk Options"
      bcdedit.exe /SET {ramdiskoptions} ramdisksdidevice partition=C:
      bcdedit /set {ramdiskoptions} ramdisksdipath \macrium\boot\boot.sdi
      
      for /f "tokens=2 delims={}" %%g in ('bcdedit.exe /create /d "Macrium Recovery" /application osloader') do (set guid={%%g})
      echo GUID = %guid% created !!!
      
      bcdedit /set %guid% device ramdisk=[c:]\macrium\sources\boot.wim,{ramdiskoptions}
      bcdedit /set %guid% osdevice ramdisk=[c:]\macrium\sources\boot.wim,{ramdiskoptions}
      bcdedit.exe /SET %guid% systemroot \windows
      REM use the next line for UEFI style installation
      bcdedit /set %guid% path \Windows\system32\winload.efi
      REM For MBR, use the next line
      bcdedit.exe /SET %guid% path \Windows\system32\winload.exe
      
      bcdedit.exe /SET %guid% winpe yes
      bcdedit.exe /SET %guid% detecthal yes
      bcdedit.exe /SET %guid% nx OptIn
      
      bcdedit /displayorder %guid% /addlast
      bcdedit /timeout 5
      
      echo "Done... Reboot your PC"
      pause
      NOTE: there's are 2 red lines in the code, one for the MBR type installation and the other for UEFI. Use only one line that applies to your Windows Installation type MBR/UEFI and remove the other.
    4. Save the current BCD: Open Admin command prompt and type: bcdedit /export myBCD
      and save this myBCD file to somewhere else.
    5. Right click on the BAT file and run as Admin
    6. Reboot. You should see the dual boot menu with the timeout set to 5.


    To remove the dual boot environment:

    1. Open the Admin command prompt and type: bcdedit /import myBCD
    2. Delete the folder C:\macrium.

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  2. #12


    San Jose - California
    Posts : 2,847
    8.1x64PWMC Ubuntu14.04x64 MintMate17x64


    I uninstalled Mcafee from Programs and Features which brought up a Mcafee uninstaller (I assume since it tried to get me to activate the trial version instead of uninstalling). This took a little while but went through okay, prompting a restart after it finished.
    Uninstall Anti Virus software from Programs and Features will not uninstall correctly. Most Anti Virus require you to use their special uninstaller to remove all the traces from your system.

    I note what you say about antivirus programs interfering with other things, but can honestly say that this hasn't been a problem for me previously. I occasionally get warnings that a program is trying to modify something but am able to okay this. And Windows updates have never been an issue
    You are assuming that it did not give you any problem but you also don't know if the software installed correctly. Most third party software always give a Warning: Turn off your Anti Virus first before installation, specially the third party device drivers, which sometimes being updated by Windows Updates.

    @topgundcp and @popeye are both suggesting that I reformat the drive first, which makes sense in terms of being the only way to be sure I have a clean set of files.
    Actually when you reset your PC, it will also wipe out the C: Drive and re-install Windows, so you don't really need to reformat it. Just reset then clean up before running Windows Updates.
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  3. #13


    Greece
    Posts : 341
    Win8.1 64bit, Windows 10 TP on VMWare Player


    Thanks to everyone who contributed advice and suggestions.

    While I was typing my last post above Windows update seemed to sort itself out and re-downloaded the 118 updates. So I thought I would have a go at installing them (first turning off all non-Microsoft services through msconfig). I tried to just install 10 updates from the list, just selecting the earliest in date order, but once these were installed and I clicked to restart, the remaining ones were automatically installed, leading to the same configure/failing to configure loop as before.

    So I just waited until it finally resolved itself and kept trying to install just a few updates at a time, letting it loop around, until it finally finished installing everything.

    Is there a way to successfully install just selected (ticked) updates from a list? I thought if I just selected a few, this is all that would be dealt with, but each time, others were automatically installed as well. E.g. I chose 10 Security updates but all the other security updates were also installed, despite not being ticked.

    Anyway, this eventually got me to a successful install of W8 after which I did some cleaning up then downloaded W8.1 and installed it.

    The odd minor hiccup but as far as I can tell it's okay, so I'm hoping I've gotten rid of the bad blocks etc. and other things that were causing frustration.

    @topgundcp thank you for the information about setting up a dual boot with Macrium. I'm not sure I fully understand this but will have a closer look soon.
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  4. #14


    Harrisonburg, Va.
    Posts : 10,488
    Windows 8.1.1 Pro with Media Center


    Is there a way to successfully install just selected (ticked) updates from a list? I thought if I just selected a few, this is all that would be dealt with, but each time, others were automatically installed as well. E.g. I chose 10 Security updates but all the other security updates were also installed, despite not being ticked.
    I do think you must "hide" the updates to avoid having all of them install.

    If you want to install 5 at a time, hide the rest.

    When those 5 get installed, unhide 5 more, etc. until all are installed.

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  5. #15


    Greece
    Posts : 341
    Win8.1 64bit, Windows 10 TP on VMWare Player


    Quote Originally Posted by David Bailey View Post
    Is there a way to successfully install just selected (ticked) updates from a list? I thought if I just selected a few, this is all that would be dealt with, but each time, others were automatically installed as well. E.g. I chose 10 Security updates but all the other security updates were also installed, despite not being ticked.
    I do think you must "hide" the updates to avoid having all of them install.

    If you want to install 5 at a time, hide the rest.

    When those 5 get installed, unhide 5 more, etc. until all are installed
    Thanks David, hiding updates never occurred to me. Foolish of me to assume that NOT selecting them would work really
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  6. #16


    Harrisonburg, Va.
    Posts : 10,488
    Windows 8.1.1 Pro with Media Center


    Glad I could help.
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  7. #17


    San Jose - California
    Posts : 2,847
    8.1x64PWMC Ubuntu14.04x64 MintMate17x64


    Quote Originally Posted by SaggyMaggyPoo View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by David Bailey View Post
    Is there a way to successfully install just selected (ticked) updates from a list? I thought if I just selected a few, this is all that would be dealt with, but each time, others were automatically installed as well. E.g. I chose 10 Security updates but all the other security updates were also installed, despite not being ticked.
    I do think you must "hide" the updates to avoid having all of them install.

    If you want to install 5 at a time, hide the rest.

    When those 5 get installed, unhide 5 more, etc. until all are installed
    Thanks David, hiding updates never occurred to me. Foolish of me to assume that NOT selecting them would work really
    IMHO, hiding updates are the same as if you uncheck them. However, When you select updates from the list, certain updates have to happen before the updates you selected can be applied, so sometimes you'll see some extra updates not being selected also run.

    All these years using different versions of Windows, I have never had to install updates 5 at a time, I always select them all and have never failed. That would tell me either you have slow/flaky internet connection that would cause the updates corruption or the updates are not successful due to interference from third party software running in the background, specially Anti Virus.
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  8. #18


    Greece
    Posts : 341
    Win8.1 64bit, Windows 10 TP on VMWare Player


    Quote Originally Posted by topgundcp View Post
    IMHO, hiding updates are the same as if you uncheck them. However, When you select updates from the list, certain updates have to happen before the updates you selected can be applied, so sometimes you'll see some extra updates not being selected also run.

    All these years using different versions of Windows, I have never had to install updates 5 at a time, I always select them all and have never failed. That would tell me either you have slow/flaky internet connection that would cause the updates corruption or the updates are not successful due to interference from third party software running in the background, specially Anti Virus.
    A couple of people who responded to my problem mentioned doing updates in batches, which suggested that there was some way to achieve this. Actually, when I chose updates all of one kind (e.g. all security related or all .NET related) I was able to just install that type of update (though more than I had selected: on one occasion I selected 10 updates and 53 were installed).

    My internet connection isn't mega-fast but it is generally okay. (I downloaded W8 and W8.1, each over several hours without any connection problems for example). And it's the best I'm going to get, unless I move house.

    Anyway, I only needed to install lots of updates because I had refreshed back to W8. I'm about to make a Custom Recovery Image so I'm hoping I will never need to go through this again .
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