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    Win7-Win8 upgrade Licensing


    I have a test machine with win 7 on it. I also have an Win8 pro upgrade iso (bought just after win 8 RTM).
    The copies are older copies, before all the 'OEM only' nonsense.

    I need to have win 7 AND win 8.x on this test machine. What I'd like to do is clone the win 7 drive, upgrade to win 8 (and/or 8.1) so that I can switch between the win7 and win8 drives when I need one OS or the other. All in the same machine, no monkey business. I just need to be able to test on both OS's on an ongoing basis. They won't be used at the same time or on any other machines.

    Doable?

    Thanks!

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    It's technically doable, but not legally doable. Upgrade copies of Windows don't contain a license, they simply transfer the existing Windows license to a new version of Windows. So you can't use both Windows 7 and Windows 8 at the same time, legally, since you only have the upgrade version of 8. You'd need to buy a fully licensed copy of Win8 to be on the right side of the law, but from a purely technical standpoint there's no reason you couldn't do what you're describing.
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    Hi asvent...just thought of this, but since XP is in the upgrade path, that could make it a righteous upgrade (I still have several XP pro licenses, none of which are in service). But also, isn't the Win 8 upgrade the same as Win 7 and Vista upgrades....upgradeable over itself via the old MS sanctioned 'double install'? I understood that the legalise made it possible to buy the upgrade w/o having an upgrade path...no previous OS or product key required.

    Of course, since I have a 'legal' upgrade path via XP, this becomes moot to this post.
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    Quote Originally Posted by msalton1 View Post
    I have a test machine with win 7 on it. I also have an Win8 pro upgrade iso (bought just after win 8 RTM).
    The copies are older copies, before all the 'OEM only' nonsense.

    I need to have win 7 AND win 8.x on this test machine. What I'd like to do is clone the win 7 drive, upgrade to win 8 (and/or 8.1) so that I can switch between the win7 and win8 drives when I need one OS or the other. All in the same machine, no monkey business. I just need to be able to test on both OS's on an ongoing basis. They won't be used at the same time or on any other machines.

    Doable?

    Thanks!
    Sounds to me that what you want to do is Dual Boot win7 and Win 8.1.1. Since you have a retail version of Window 8 you should be able to download a Windows 8.1.1 ISO. Then leaving your Win 7 as is Install Win 8.1.1 using your ISO to a separate hard drive best choice or Partition. How you would do this is to use a Generic Key to start the win 8.1.1 install. After installation you would use the key to your legal win 8 RTM Key to activate. At that point on boot up you would get the Win 8 Blue start up screen where you would chose between booting to win 8 default or Win 7. There is a thread that explains how to download the Win 8.1.1 ISO using your RTM Key, Another thread that further expliains Using a Win 8 key to activate Win 8.1.1 Here are the Generic Keys Windows 8.1 Single Language Y9NXP-XT8MV-PT9TG-97CT3-9D6TC
    Windows 8.1 Core 334NH-RXG76-64THK-C7CKG-D3VPT
    Windows 8.1 Pro XHQ8N-C3MCJ-RQXB6-WCHYG-C9WKB
    Search the Tutorials for then guides mention I can't link them for you right now maybe some one else will? Also the Install & Setup section look in the stickies at the top of the forum.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Clintlgm View Post
    Sounds to me that what you want to do is Dual Boot win7 and Win 8.1.1. Since you have a retail version of Window 8 you should be able to download a Windows 8.1.1 ISO. Then leaving your Win 7 as is Install Win 8.1.1 using your ISO to a separate hard drive best choice or Partition. How you would do this is to use a Generic Key to start the win 8.1.1 install. After installation you would use the key to your legal win 8 RTM Key to activate. At that point on boot up you would get the Win 8 Blue start up screen where you would chose between booting to win 8 default or Win 7. There is a thread that explains how to download the Win 8.1.1 ISO using your RTM Key, Another thread that further expliains Using a Win 8 key to activate Win 8.1.1 Here are the Generic Keys Windows 8.1 Single Language Y9NXP-XT8MV-PT9TG-97CT3-9D6TC
    Windows 8.1 Core 334NH-RXG76-64THK-C7CKG-D3VPT
    Windows 8.1 Pro XHQ8N-C3MCJ-RQXB6-WCHYG-C9WKB
    Search the Tutorials for then guides mention I can't link them for you right now maybe some one else will? Also the Install & Setup section look in the stickies at the top of the forum.
    Thanks for the information, Clintlgm. I will be installing to a separate SSD, but since this is a test machine, and is built into a test bench, I'll just be switching drives as needed.

    Thanks for your comments.
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    Quote Originally Posted by msalton1 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Clintlgm View Post
    Sounds to me that what you want to do is Dual Boot win7 and Win 8.1.1. Since you have a retail version of Window 8 you should be able to download a Windows 8.1.1 ISO. Then leaving your Win 7 as is Install Win 8.1.1 using your ISO to a separate hard drive best choice or Partition. How you would do this is to use a Generic Key to start the win 8.1.1 install. After installation you would use the key to your legal win 8 RTM Key to activate. At that point on boot up you would get the Win 8 Blue start up screen where you would chose between booting to win 8 default or Win 7. There is a thread that explains how to download the Win 8.1.1 ISO using your RTM Key, Another thread that further expliains Using a Win 8 key to activate Win 8.1.1 Here are the Generic Keys Windows 8.1 Single Language Y9NXP-XT8MV-PT9TG-97CT3-9D6TC
    Windows 8.1 Core 334NH-RXG76-64THK-C7CKG-D3VPT
    Windows 8.1 Pro XHQ8N-C3MCJ-RQXB6-WCHYG-C9WKB
    Search the Tutorials for then guides mention I can't link them for you right now maybe some one else will? Also the Install & Setup section look in the stickies at the top of the forum.
    Thanks for the information, Clintlgm. I will be installing to a separate SSD, but since this is a test machine, and is built into a test bench, I'll just be switching drives as needed.

    Thanks for your comments.
    The path is the same whether you dual boot or just use one hard drive at a time. If you don't want a dual boot just pull your Win 7 disk out and do a clean install of win 8.1.1
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    Quote Originally Posted by msalton1 View Post
    Hi asvent...just thought of this, but since XP is in the upgrade path, that could make it a righteous upgrade (I still have several XP pro licenses, none of which are in service). But also, isn't the Win 8 upgrade the same as Win 7 and Vista upgrades....upgradeable over itself via the old MS sanctioned 'double install'? I understood that the legalise made it possible to buy the upgrade w/o having an upgrade path...no previous OS or product key required.

    Of course, since I have a 'legal' upgrade path via XP, this becomes moot to this post.
    All of the usual IANAL disclaimers applying, if you've got valid licenses for XP Pro that are not being used, at worst you'd probably be in kind of a light gray area legally. If Microsoft were so inclined they might sue, but you'd stand a fighting chance of winning by saying you were using one of these unused licenses which is a qualifying product for the upgrade. By conventional standards, which are often a far cry from legal standards, you'd be completely in the clear assuming XP Pro is a valid upgrade product for Win 8. I can't remember if it is or not off the top of my head, but considering how MS wants to get everyone off XP ASAP, it's plausible to even likely that it is.
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    You can download 32 or 64 bit 8.1, Core, Pro or Ultimate, no key required to do the download. You can even install Basic by running the ei.cfg removal tool and selecting Basic during install.

    Windows 8 and Windows 8.1 ISO - Download or Create

    You can activate it using a Windows 8 or 8.1 key.
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    Quote Originally Posted by asvent View Post

    All of the usual IANAL disclaimers applying, if you've got valid licenses for XP Pro that are not being used, at worst you'd probably be in kind of a light gray area legally. If Microsoft were so inclined they might sue, but you'd stand a fighting chance of winning by saying you were using one of these unused licenses which is a qualifying product for the upgrade. By conventional standards, which are often a far cry from legal standards, you'd be completely in the clear assuming XP Pro is a valid upgrade product for Win 8. I can't remember if it is or not off the top of my head, but considering how MS wants to get everyone off XP ASAP, it's plausible to even likely that it is.
    Odd, but direct info on XP qualifying for a win 8 upgrade was not easy to find. But here on Amazon, the product description states:

    "This product key card will upgrade your computer from:

    Windows XP, Windows Vista, or a Windows 7."


    So I guess that settles that. Good to go. Thanks for your input.
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    Just wanted to update: I did install win 8.1 using a generic key and activated using the win 8 retail key. All went surprisingly well. I thought my copy of w8p was an upgrade, but since I wasn't required to jump through the 'clean upgrade hoops' I would have expected, I guess it was a full version. I bought this copy through some special in Nov 2012 and never installed it. Thanks to all for the pointers, links, etc...they helped a lot!
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