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Copy setup from one PC to another (w8.1 OEM)

  1. #1


    Posts : 24
    Windows 8.1

    Copy setup from one PC to another (w8.1 OEM)


    Hi

    I have purchased 2 identical Acer V5-serie (OEM w8.1)
    I have setup the first computer (removed McAfee, done setup changes in w8.1, installed freeware programs, etc).
    Windows 8.1 (OEM) was activated automatically when connecting to internet.

    1) Can I "clone" the first computer, create a "Rescue Media" , create a recovery backup, .... or something similar in order to transfer the setup and programs from computer A to computer B ?
    Note : On the second PC I'm going to replace the HDD with a SSD
    - Do I need to avtivate w8.1 om computer B first ?


    3) I have installed Office 2010 professional plus , it's not activated yet (do I need to ? )
    What happens if I choose not to activate it ?

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  2. #2


    Quote Originally Posted by skifer View Post
    Hi

    I have purchased 2 identical Acer V5-serie (OEM w8.1)
    I have setup the first computer (removed McAfee, done setup changes in w8.1, installed freeware programs, etc).
    Windows 8.1 (OEM) was activated automatically when connecting to internet.

    1) Can I "clone" the first computer, create a "Rescue Media" , create a recovery backup, .... or something similar in order to transfer the setup and programs from computer A to computer B ?
    Note : On the second PC I'm going to replace the HDD with a SSD
    - Do I need to avtivate w8.1 om computer B first ?
    What you would do is create a Disk Image of Computer A and then Restore this Image to Computer B There are a few Software out there that will do this for you. I recommend Macrium Reflect Free edition After creating your restore USB be sure to test that it will boot or sort out what you have to do on your computers to have it boot. On my Asus I use the Esc for a boot menu, on my wife's HP All in one I used Esc and I got a menu that showed me that F9 would give me a boot menu where I selected my UEFI USB. Save yourself some aggravation and find out how you boot the USB Media

    I would reimage the to the SSD in a second operation, in other words restore your image to identical hardware, then in a second operation Clone your hard drive to the new SSD

    Your Image restored to the 2nd computer will register the correct Imbedded license. When you clone to your new SSD there won't be any need to Activate again.

    3) I have installed Office 2010 professional plus , it's not activated yet (do I need to ? )
    What happens if I choose not to activate it ?
    No Idea what MS Office 2010 will do, MS Office 2007 will install to 3 units with the Same user. I have moved my 3 copies several times since 2007 when I bought it. Every once in awhile I will have to call in to activate on a reinstall.
    Not sure what will happen if you don't Activate, you may have limited access or nothing happen at all other than a nag to activate before your 30 day trial expires?
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  3. #3


    Posts : 24
    Windows 8.1


    Thanks Clintlgm

    I was planning to use Macrium, however some cloning software also came with the SSD (Samsung 840 EVO 250 GB) ... I have no experience with either ....(first time making disk image & cloning...).

    Ref : "What you would do is create a Disk Image of Computer A and then Restore this Image to Computer B "
    My Acer's have the following partitions : 1 Recovery NTFS Primary (600MB), 2 ESP FAT32 (LBA) Primary (300MM), 3 Unformated Primary (128 MB), 4 Acer(C) NTFS Primary (36GB of 912 GB), 5 Push button Reset (16,7 GB out of 17,7GB)

    1) When creating the Disk Image of PC A (to image on B) - which partitions to include ? (only #4 ?)

    2) When cloning PC B to the SSD, should i include partition # 5 ?
    I assume partition #5 "Push button Reset" is a part of a "Recovery" option.
    I'm planning to put the HDD into the drivers bay, so I could keep it "as is" (not formating the HDD) , and keep the HHD (including part#5) it as an "original" backup" for the SSD.
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  4. #4


    If they are truly identical computers, include all partitions. Since they are Desktop systems, you could put the hard drive from the 2nd system in the first system to do the cloning and save the Create an image step, though you'll want to do that eventually so maybe doing it now is a better choice.

    Install Macrium Reflect Free.
    Create the Rescue Disc.
    Create an image of the entire drive to an external hard drive.
    Move the external drive to the 2nd computer.
    Boot up with the Macrium Rescue disc.
    Restore the image from the external drive to the internal drive.

    Remove external drive and Macrium Rescus disc.
    Boot, should come right up.

    As for Office 2010 professional plus, I would go ahead and activate then do the clone. May work just fine. If not you will have to activate a 2nd time.
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  5. #5


    Quote Originally Posted by skifer View Post
    Thanks Clintlgm

    I was planning to use Macrium, however some cloning software also came with the SSD (Samsung 840 EVO 250 GB) ... I have no experience with either ....(first time making disk image & cloning...).

    Ref : "What you would do is create a Disk Image of Computer A and then Restore this Image to Computer B "
    My Acer's have the following partitions : 1 Recovery NTFS Primary (600MB), 2 ESP FAT32 (LBA) Primary (300MM), 3 Unformated Primary (128 MB), 4 Acer(C) NTFS Primary (36GB of 912 GB), 5 Push button Reset (16,7 GB out of 17,7GB)

    1) When creating the Disk Image of PC A (to image on B) - which partitions to include ? (only #4 ?)

    2) When cloning PC B to the SSD, should i include partition # 5 ?
    I assume partition #5 "Push button Reset" is a part of a "Recovery" option.
    I'm planning to put the HDD into the drivers bay, so I could keep it "as is" (not formating the HDD) , and keep the HHD (including part#5) it as an "original" backup" for the SSD.
    Clone means to clone the entire disk,
    Image means to image the entire disk
    If you "clone disk A" to Disk B, Disk B will be an exact copy of A IE CLONE
    If you create an "Image of Disk A" then Restore this Image to Disk B, disk B will be identical to Disk A

    You want them to be identical so you must do one or the other of these procedures!

    Imaging Partitions or Backing up partitions or files and folders are completely a different thing!!
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  6. #6


    Posts : 24
    Windows 8.1


    Quote Originally Posted by Clintlgm View Post

    Clone means to clone the entire disk,
    Image means to image the entire disk
    If you "clone disk A" to Disk B, Disk B will be an exact copy of A IE CLONE
    If you create an "Image of Disk A" then Restore this Image to Disk B, disk B will be identical to Disk A

    You want them to be identical so you must do one or the other of these procedures!

    Imaging Partitions or Backing up partitions or files and folders are completely a different thing!!

    Thanks to both of you
    ....and sorry for not being more accurate... I would like Disk B to have the same w8.1 setup and programs as Disk A, and then clone it to the new SSD

    I guess I can follow the instructions of Ztruker (using Macrium Reflect), but also do some changes such as ... :

    1) Create an image of disk A : "Image this disk" (of the entire drive, including the Recovery partitions)
    ... not "Create an image of the partition(s) required to backup and restore Windows" ?

    2) Move the external drive to the 2nd computer and "Browse for an image" onto disk B (after startup and extracting the OEM key )

    3) Clone disk B onto the SSD

    4) It seems to me that Backing up partitions like "Create an image of the partition(s) required to backup and restore Windows" in Macrium Reflect ; do not include the "Recovery Partition" (in my case 5 Push button Reset (16,7 GB out of 17,7GB)) , which I guess equals the OEM (Acer) Recovery Backup (which the Acers Manual told me to do first) ...correct ?

    5) Do I need to make an another OEM (Acer) Recovery Backup from Disk B , or is the one I made from Disk A sufficient for both of them ?
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  7. #7


    The one should be sufficient for both.
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  8. #8


    Posts : 24
    Windows 8.1

    Can't clone the OEM Recovery Partition


    Quote Originally Posted by skifer View Post

    I guess I can :
    ....
    3) Clone disk B onto the SSD
    I try to use MRfree to clone the 1TB OEM HDD (43 GB + 17GB Recovery Part) over to a 250 GB SSD, but it excludes the Recovery Partition (#5, Push Button).

    According to the user manual that came with the 250GB 840EVO SSD , there are a limitations for OEM disk: "6. OEM recovery partitions, generated at the factory by computer manufacturers, cannot be replicated"

    1) Is this why MRFree will not "Resize" the Primary Partition or do I need MRPro ?

    2) Should I just clone without the #5.Recovery Partition ? .. as both Samsungs migration software and MRfree apparently wants to ?
    - I have made 2 MR Disk images (original OEM/after adjusted), + Acer recovery files, + going to put the HDD in the second bay with OEM partitions, + have a second identical laptop without a SSD ...... so I feel I have "sufficient" backup..

    3) OR Do I need the 5 partitions in order for the w8.1 OEM to function properly on the SSD ?
    - in that case I assume only a replacing the HDD with the SSD and try to run a "Rescue Disk"
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  9. #9


    Quote Originally Posted by skifer View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by skifer View Post

    I guess I can :
    ....
    3) Clone disk B onto the SSD
    I try to use MRfree to clone the 1TB OEM HDD (43 GB + 17GB Recovery Part) over to a 250 GB SSD, but it excludes the Recovery Partition (#5, Push Button).

    According to the user manual that came with the 250GB 840EVO SSD , there are a limitations for OEM disk: "6. OEM recovery partitions, generated at the factory by computer manufacturers, cannot be replicated"

    1) Is this why MRFree will not "Resize" the Primary Partition or do I need MRPro ?

    2) Should I just clone without the #5.Recovery Partition ? .. as both Samsungs migration software and MRfree apparently wants to ?
    - I have made 2 MR Disk images (original OEM/after adjusted), + Acer recovery files, + going to put the HDD in the second bay with OEM partitions, + have a second identical laptop without a SSD ...... so I feel I have "sufficient" backup..

    3) OR Do I need the 5 partitions in order for the w8.1 OEM to function properly on the SSD ?
    - in that case I assume only a replacing the HDD with the SSD and try to run a "Rescue Disk"
    if your using the Free version you should shrink your C:\ partition as much as you can. you need to insure you have much less data then the size of your SSD. To insure a working Clone,
    Clone the Full Hard Drive to the SSD Right below the hard drive in Reflect you'll see Clone this disk!! also you will see right next to the Image this disk. use one or the other if you want to have a working SSD. If you want to delete partitions do it after you have a working SSD and Image of that working SSD. Keep it simple it will save you a lot of aggravation in the long run.
    Images are really better that factory recovery as your only installing what your disk has on it when you created the Image, Rather than going back to factory state.
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  10. #10


    Posts : 879
    Windows 10


    Quote Originally Posted by skifer View Post
    3) OR Do I need the 5 partitions in order for the w8.1 OEM to function properly on the SSD ?
    You can no longer Refresh or Reset, if your hard disk does not have the Recovery Image partition.
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