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Windows 8 to go - on a USB stick

  1. #21


    Orbiting the Moon
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    Quote Originally Posted by whs View Post
    Aha, there may be the problem. Next time I will use the x64 Win8. Thanks for descibing the way you did it.

    Maybe that's why I had all those 'Errors' in the Event Viewer when I looked at the Event Id 100.
    You're welcome Wolfgang.
    I Hope I was right about the boot files.

    I'm gonna keep using the current usb 2.0 for now, since it's almost as fast as my 32gb Sandisk Cruser.

    Good luck with the install.
    Hopachi

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  2. #22


    Germany/Florida
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    Vista and Win7


    Just this minute I got my USB3 stick in the mail (from Newegg). This thing is fast. I bet this will work better.

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  3. #23


    Orbiting the Moon
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    The speed is amazing. This is 6.5x faster than mine now.

    It should boot up in no time.
    Also the write speed is light years further than 2.0 devices.

    Thanks for the info

    Hopachi
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  4. #24


    Germany/Florida
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    Vista and Win7


    What is also good with that stick is that the access time is 0.5ms (as per HD Tune). I am just now loading the 64bit Win8 from the virtual BD ROM - we'll see.
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  5. #25


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    Windows 8


    I think the boot speed mainly depends on four factors:
    • Speed ​​of the USB stick (especially 4 Kb range).
    • Hardware (CPU: Single core, i3 or i5, etc. and available RAM).
    • Background programs (antivirus, Skype, etc.)
    • Started Windows 8 version (x86 or x64).
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  6. #26


    Hafnarfjörður IS
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    Linux Centos 7, W8.1, W7, W2K3 Server W10


    Quote Originally Posted by NiFu View Post
    I think the boot speed mainly depends on four factors:
    • Speed ​​of the USB stick (especially 4 Kb range).
    • Hardware (CPU: Single core, i3 or i5, etc. and available RAM).
    • Background programs (antivirus, Skype, etc.)
    • Started Windows 8 version (x86 or x64).
    Hi there

    The Boot I/O device speed is indeed the MAJOR factor in boot up speed -- you can virtually ignore anything else in comparison -- I assume that these days there is always sufficient RAM to load the OS properly and run the system.

    You can virtually IGNORE CPU power at this point. Note once you start running applications that's different --we are only discussing the BOOT UP mechanism.


    To clarify this point as some might not quite understand how Boot works this is the basic principle.

    When you switch on the machine the machine is HARDWARE wired to execute ONE BIOS instruction at a specific address in the built in BIOS (or even EFI).

    This instruction says Load Block of data into RAM starting at address XXXX and execute first machine instruction at the address loaded.

    This is the skeleton Loader code which now starts loading drivers etc from HDD / SSD and completing the boot process -- that's why it's called BOOTSTRAPPING since instructions one and two are required to get sufficient program code into the machine to start execution to load the rest of the OS and await first User input request..

    So you can see BIGGEST factor in boot up time is the speed of the I/O device -- remember that at boot time there's very little heavy processing -- the Bios loads the bootstrap instruction to read sector XXXX from disk and execute it
    Rec 2 then loads the rest of the boot program and the loader takes it from there where the drivers are loaded / initialized etc.

    Only very late in the boot process does the CPU play a part in initializing the GUI (The "Windows" bit of Windows).

    (Equivalent in Linux -- the system is basically all loaded before you start a GUI usually known as the 'X-Server').

    A small netbook with a single core ATOM processor and an SSD won't take much longer to boot than a high powered laptop with an I7 core if the laptop is using a standard HDD.

    (Always assuming not 100's of complex start up scripts a being run / servers started etc. For a typical "Bog standard W8 installation the internal drive rate is the biggest factor in boot time).

    Cheers
    jimbo
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  7. #27


    Germany/Florida
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    The system (64bit) run really nice on the USB3 stick. I would compare the boot and execution to a 5400RPM laptop HDD. Because of the 0.5ms access time and the much higher R/W speed than a slow HDD, I had expected it to be faster, but that does not seem to be the case. I think that is because of the overhead in the USB3 bus.

    I had already noticed that with imaging. An image to an eSata disk is faster than to a USB3 disk (everything else being the same). That is at first amazing because on paper the USB3 bus is faster than the eSata bus. But since no spinning disk can make use of either maximum speed, it is the overhead in the bus that comes to bear.

    The biggest problem I have right now is a constant corruption of my Windows7 bootmgr by the Windows8 on the stick. Whenever I access the Win7 disk only indirectly with Win8 (in Computer or Disk Management), I corrupt my Win7 bootmgr and cannot boot win7 afterwards. I have to figure out what causes that.
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  8. #28


    Orbiting the Moon
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    Windows 10 x64


    Quote Originally Posted by whs View Post
    (...) The biggest problem I have right now is a constant corruption of my Windows7 bootmgr by the Windows8 on the stick. Whenever I access the Win7 disk only indirectly with Win8 (in Computer or Disk Management), I corrupt my Win7 bootmgr and cannot boot win7 afterwards. I have to figure out what causes that.
    Careful with those boot files.
    It was after all a good idea to run "bcdboot" in a Win8 VM than in the Win7 host.

    On a Win7 x64 (SP1 or not) base install, the Win8 x86 (Cons. Prev.) usb stick didn't messed any bootmgr here. It was tested on 3 different machines, all with Win7 (x64) as the main system with no problems after.

    It depends if you had to run bcdboot with the used method.
    What method did you used to apply the boot files?
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  9. #29


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    I used the cmd command: bcdboot F:\windows /s F: . You see any problem with that.
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  10. #30


    Orbiting the Moon
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    Windows 10 x64


    If the F: drive is your usb then I have no problem with that.

    I ran it also (in Win8) but with the /f ALL paramater (don't know if it's really required or not => /f for forced I guess):

    bcdboot f:\windows /s f: /f ALL

    Worked well here.

    Hopachi
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