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  1. #1


    India
    Posts : 50
    Windows 8.1 Enterprise

    Building a PC


    Hello,I am going to build my own PC.. (First Time)I'm not going to change the CPU Case.. just the things inside like Motherboard, Graphics Card etc..I want to keep the budget the most minimum possible..Just want to make sure what are the things that I should keep in mind..

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  2. #2


    Posts : 61
    Windows 8.1 32-Bit


    Does this mean that you will keep the case but change the processor?
    You should consider measures of your new compontents fitting in your case especially if you mount a big CPU cooler or graphics card. You should find these specs in the manual of your case or the website of the manufacturer. Same for the new components.
    Also important is cooling. If you read a bit how cooling works you can build a silent system with semi-passive cooling technique which should be barely audible. I found this site helpfull building my own silent pc: silentpcreview.com | Everything about Silent / Quiet Computers

    I know there is a lot of preparation, reading and pondering to be done to find the right components to fit your needs in terms of perfomance, quiteness and temperatures. But after you have done all steps wisely you can be proud of a self-built system which is fast as a shark and dead silent if you want.
    And one of the good steps you've allready meade is to ask in a forum.
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  3. #3


    India
    Posts : 50
    Windows 8.1 Enterprise

    Thanks for the reply


    Quote Originally Posted by Hybrid Vigor View Post
    Does this mean that you will keep the case but change the processor?
    You should consider measures of your new compontents fitting in your case especially if you mount a big CPU cooler or graphics card. You should find these specs in the manual of your case or the website of the manufacturer. Same for the new components.
    Also important is cooling. If you read a bit how cooling works you can build a silent system with semi-passive cooling technique which should be barely audible. I found this site helpfull building my own silent pc: silentpcreview.com | Everything about Silent / Quiet Computers

    I know there is a lot of preparation, reading and pondering to be done to find the right components to fit your needs in terms of perfomance, quiteness and temperatures. But after you have done all steps wisely you can be proud of a self-built system which is fast as a shark and dead silent if you want.
    And one of the good steps you've allready meade is to ask in a forum.
    So, what is so good about silent pc's ratherm than it being silent.. like if my priority is for performance could i get a better pc even if its not so silent?
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  4. #4


    Set your budget first, it's so easy to blow it sky high. Another thing is what's it is supposed to be for, office, graphics, video games etc. ? Those two things pretty much define what could and should be done.
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  5. #5


    Hafnarfjörður IS
    Posts : 4,376
    Linux Centos 7, W8.1, W7, W2K3 Server W10


    Quote Originally Posted by rohidroid View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Hybrid Vigor View Post
    Does this mean that you will keep the case but change the processor?
    You should consider measures of your new compontents fitting in your case especially if you mount a big CPU cooler or graphics card. You should find these specs in the manual of your case or the website of the manufacturer. Same for the new components.
    Also important is cooling. If you read a bit how cooling works you can build a silent system with semi-passive cooling technique which should be barely audible. I found this site helpfull building my own silent pc: silentpcreview.com | Everything about Silent / Quiet Computers

    I know there is a lot of preparation, reading and pondering to be done to find the right components to fit your needs in terms of perfomance, quiteness and temperatures. But after you have done all steps wisely you can be proud of a self-built system which is fast as a shark and dead silent if you want.
    And one of the good steps you've allready meade is to ask in a forum.
    So, what is so good about silent pc's ratherm than it being silent.. like if my priority is for performance could i get a better pc even if its not so silent?
    Hi there
    Unless you are daily living in a noisy environment you will soon notice a noisy PC very quickly and believe me it can become really IRRITATING. Fortunately decent fans etc have modern bearings and can be quite quiet.

    The main thing you'll need if designing / building your own PC is a decent processor -- if that's poor - just give up. Then the MOBO bus must be capable of delivering good performance

    -- SLOW DISKS WILL KILL ANY SYSTEM. - It's amazing how often this simple fact is forgotten. People spend £££'s, $$$'s €€€€'s, Roubles, Kroners, Slotys. rupees etc etc on their machines and then have hideously slow 5400 RPM IDE HDD's. Get the OS at least to boot from an SSD and ensure also your MOBO has a decent performing USB3 port / ports too. USB3 add on cards are usually poor performers - especially if the native bus speed is poor.

    depending on whether you want a "gaming" or a normal machine should decide wheter you need a separate graphics card -- iof you aren't a gamer the standard on board graphics for most mobos is perfectly good enough.

    Finallly don't even THINK of putting less than 8GB RAM in it - get a mobo that can have 4 Memory slots (32 GB RAM) even if you don't fill them all up initially.

    Remember though above all DO NOT EVEN THINK OF USING SLOW DISKS =- THJESE WILL KILL EVEN A TOP RANGE i7 SYSTEM.

    cheers
    jimbo
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  6. #6


    Yes Jimbo you are right, it's almost idiomatic to use SSD today, 4 core processor with at least 8 GB Ram too. The rest, video card would depend mostly of weather it's for and which games and programs are supposed to run. Last but not least is to have adequate PSU to mach all that. There are other concerns too, like cooling for instance and ability to overclock to eventually prolong usefulness of the system.
    All of that is closely related to the budget though, all the wishes and needs are in wain if you can't pay for it.
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  7. #7


    Hafnarfjörður IS
    Posts : 4,376
    Linux Centos 7, W8.1, W7, W2K3 Server W10


    Hi there.

    My whole take on this project would be that if the DISKS are not going to be good anything else is a 100% waste of time. While SSD's are IMO mandatory if you are on a tight budget then you can still get some decent SATA spinners - but go for 7200 RPM WITH A LARGE CACHE -- the CACHE is important - a small cache will also inhibit the performance of the HDD.

    If you are just going to use the HDD's from your EXISTING machine then I'd forget the whole project as you would be wasting your money. Use the OLD HDD's as EXTERNAL USB drives (converter cables are very cheap) and keep these for data archive and backup.

    SSD's are the way to go - but if your budget is very constrained try to get at least the OS to run from an SSD. But DON'T even THINK of attempting the build until your Disks are decent -- otherwise you won't get much if any performance from your existing machine whatever else you install.

    I'd say in my time over 90% of poor computer performance has been caused by very poor HDD's. - A typical machine with 8GB RAM can run quite a lot of concurrent applications even with a slowish processor - but ensure its fit for purpose.

    Even an incredibly ancient machine can be speeded up no end by the simple swap of an SSD for an HDD.

    Cheers
    jimbo
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  8. #8


    Posts : 216
    Windows 8.1 Pro with Media Center


    In the order I use when designing a new system.


    1. Motherboard. What processors does it take and how new is the architecture. Make sure you are not buying a design that is at it's end of life. They're a lot cheaper but you may not be able to upgrade other components later as newer processors come out. Make sure that the available slots match what you want to install. No reason to buy a SLI capable motherboard if you aren't ever going to use that functionality. The same goes for RAID. Check the number of memory slots to make sure it matches what memory you intend to buy. Buy new, not used.
    2. Memory is your next consideration. Buying a new mobo means you will probably need new memory because of the difference in architecture (mobo bus speed, etc). There's a lot of difference in memory and you can usually get a lot a better performance for a small increase in price. Buy large and fast enough modules as you can afford. Don't save money by buying more capacity and less performance, save money by buying 2 great sticks and add on more of the exact same type later. Pretty safe to go to Ebay for used ones. Just buy from a solidly rated buyer.
    3. Video card. Well, this could be a 10-page discussion, but again buy the best you can afford. Since you are on a budget, look back 1 or 2 model series for the best deal. If you are brave, go to Ebay for a used one.
    4. Power supply. Of course make sure it matches your mobo requirements, but also your video card. Buy a power supply with extra capacity so it's not running at close to full power under larger demands. Never buy a used one.
    5. Drives. Definitely get an SSD for your OS. Check the read and transfer rates. Do the research to understand the difference. Cheaper SSDs can be quite a bit slower than others. Of course, any SSD will seem blazingly fast to you, but just buy a good performing one. If you have the bucks, buy a least one large capacity (1tb or above). Make sure it's not a 'green' or 'blue' drive. That's what Western Digital calls their quiet or eco-friendly drives (translation -slow). I only use WD Blacks. They have a larger cache than the discount drives. You can save a few bucks on HDD buy buying OEM instead of retail which have less of a warranty (usually 3 instead of 5 years). Keep your old HDD (depends on what they are) for extra storage or backup. Use the new one for your games.


    Memory and HDDs are the 2 places you can save money and upgrade to larger capacity later. If you saved a bit on the CPU, you can upgrade it later as well and then sell the old one on Ebay, offsetting your cost a bit. Of course that goes for video cards as well. Again, don't buy overly cheap stuff now because you won't be able to recoup any cost later.

    Of course there will be a lot of different opinions about the path to do your upgrade, so just take everyone's advice with a grain of salt (including mine) and don't rush any purchase. The most important thing is to check all the specs and then recheck them again. Again, save money by buying the best quality you can afford and get more capacity later.
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  9. #9


    OldGuyGeek put it in the right order but :
    With an SSD large enough (128 -250 GB) to hold OS and usual programs , even games, the rest of storage HDDs speeds are way back of importance, and using them instead of buying new "fast " ones is not necessary, money saved on that purchase is much better spent on a larger SSD. SSDs are so much faster than HDDs that difference between fast and slower HDD fades away. Yet, even slowes HDDs are fast enough to play music, movies and even run games from.
    Chasing an super fast SSD is not too important either, even slowest ones (on paper) are so much faster than HDDs that in real life difference between fastest and slowest SSDs is not perceptible at all.
    Memory, speed is not of large importance here unless OCing or benching, only two things you can see difference between let's say 1333, 1600 or even 1886, amount of memory on the other hand, can make huge difference with multitasking and running programs like graphics and to more extent video manipulating programs. Only other consideration for RAM speed would be if using an APU processor or on-board graphics that uses RAM instead of video memory.
    Video card depends mostly of type of computer usage, for games as fast as possible, their memory VDDR5 1 GB over VDDR3 2 GB, any time. For mostly 2D work any old one will do, as even fastest ones run their GPU at 300 - 400 MHz when in 2D, just as the slower ones do.
    CPU, more cores beat less cores at almost any speed nowadays in the era of multithreaded OSs and programs as well as multitasking. Some other considerations with CPUs is amount of cache on them as well as FPU speed or singlethreaded performance but those are dependent on the types of programs used and don't amount to much to overall system speed and responsiveness.
    Some examples I experienced, AMD Phenom II x4 vs. Athlon II x4 at same frequencies, 8GB RAM, same MB, Phenom 1/3 faster in tests, twice faster compiling videos, twice faster working with archives, can't tell difference with internet, desktop, watching movies etc. Friends FX 8350 x8, 16 GB RAM, same SSD, eight times faster than Phenom at compiling same videos, blazeingly fast with archives (couldn't even time it when opening 4 GB archive) yet when working at mundane tasks like watching internet, movies etc you couldn't say if it was a 2 core 2GHz processor or some beast.
    So much depends on what are you doing and using it for. That's why I always ask first, what do you need computer for and how much money you can or want to spend. One thing is I'm against is ready made machines, specially brand name ones. Some maybe cheaper (debatable) but are pain if you have to repair or upgrade. "What you see is what you gets" with them, throw and get a new one when this one pays it's dues.
    So, rihidroid, if you answer those 2 things in red, we could start recommending in a meaningful manner. Otherwise everything will be just up to individual preferences.
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  10. #10


    India
    Posts : 50
    Windows 8.1 Enterprise


    I mostly use my PC for gaming.. the max. budget I can put is 25000 Rs. If I buy a SSD of 128 GB.. how can I put my games, movies, music, other stuffs? (because its only 128 GB.. I have movies about 500 GB.. that I keep in external HDD) And... Thanks to everyone who have given me so much of info that I never knew of..
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