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Is there a way to boot and start with the desktop instead of Metro?

  1. #21


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    Quote Originally Posted by SIW2 View Post
    It's in winlogon - there is no switch for the Kiddie menu there as far as I could see when I looked a while back.
    Ya, I saw that too but that isn't the entry that actually starts Explorer.

    I thought I was being slick by deleting the mention of explorer.exe there, then placing a shortcut to explorer.exe in my startup folder instead.

    It had literally no effect. So explorer.exe must be starting from some other source.

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    It's a tenacious little critter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SIW2 View Post
    It's a tenacious little critter.
    Damn yes, you aren't kidding.

    Making progress here lol. I want to document my findings so other interested parties could perhaps figure out their own thing with this.

    There was absolutely no way or nothing I could do to take ownership and change permissions of C:\Windows\System32\unerinit.exe

    ...so I did what I had to do by booting to my Windows 7. Then I renamed the file to userinit.exe22

    Rebooted to 8. No start menu and no explorer.exe at all. I started explorer.exe with the task manager but there was no background, clock or notification area at all. Everything else was up running normally.

    Then I clicked to open the start menu, worked fine, went back to desktop and everything is all there now as completely normal 100%...

    Needs some extra tweaks but progress.
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    Thanks GMan,
    For all those others (such as me) that have no freakin' clue what uninit.exe does:

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    My question is why do we have 3 pages of people trying to disable something they don't want, that Microsoft has gone to great lengths to keep us from changing. Why are they trying to force something on us that we do not want. Don't misunderstand. There are several features of Windows 8 that I like, but Metro is not one of them. It would seem that it would be better for Microsoft to make it easy for us to decide which way we would like to run it.
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    MS want you to go online to the MS clouds.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SIW2 View Post
    MS want you to go online to the MS clouds.
    Man, yes. I feel it in everything about this OS. Besides, now correct me if I'm wrong -

    This cloud stuff is all brainwashing. I mean, the only thing I know about it is from what I see here or there and tune it out as much as possible.

    Doesn't "cloud" just mean "server with ability to spy on every last minute detail you do?"

    This cloud nonsense is just that - in this case all it is, is Microsoft servers. So it is not "connect to the cloud" it is "connect to Microsoft servers" - which is something I would specifically use ZoneAlarm to deny from happening 100% of the time besides when Windows Update ran.

    ZoneAlarm will not be compatible until Windows 8 Gold.

    A few years ago, I've seen articles that "the cloud" was somehow some way to be able to share CPU cycles amongst the world so it didn't matter what kind of CPU you had. Sounded weird to me then (read: difficult to impossible) as it does now.
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  8. #28


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    What is wrong with you guys. You are all seasoned geeks and you sound like you could not deal with the Win8 Start menu -where in fact it is dead simple to map the traditional Start.

    Start Screen - Name or Rename a Group of Apps in Windows 8

    The functions of the traditional Start are Left Pane, Right Pane, Search, All Programs and the Shutdown, Restart, etc. buttons. Let's have a look at those.

    A) Left and Right pane

    Those can be organized exactly the same way as in the traditional Start. Most of us do not keep a lot of programs in the left pane anyhow. I keep most of my programs either in the Toolbar or in the Rocket Dock.

    And the Right Pane can be done exactly as in the traditional Start. You may have different choices than the ones in my picture, but they are all possible.

    B) Extras

    I made an additional group that I call 'Extras'. Here I put functions that I use at times and that could not be put into a traditional Start. That is a clear advantage. Further one could make a group for URLs and another one for frequently used folders. That is a clear advantage of the new Start because none of that is easily possible with the traditional Start.

    C) Search

    The whole Start field is a Search field. Absolutely no problem here

    D) All Programs

    This is now 'All Apps' which I find miles easier to use than All Programs. No more scrolling in the little Start menu only to find folders that may have names of the program manufacturer rather than the program. And when you open the folders you find several entries of which only one is the actual program (not always obvious for a beginner).

    E) Shutdown

    Finally I added the Shutdown button. Restart, etc. could be added too but I did not bother.

    Have a look at my picture below and tell me what's wrong with it.

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    As far as all the other Metro functions are concerned, you can either ignore them or make good use of them. The Charmes are a navigation help. But if you are good at keyboard shortcuts, you do not really need them.

    The PC Settings give you some of the tasktray icons plus the power button, but you have those on the desktop (I added the shutdown button to the taskbar). The 'More Settings' functions can mostely be done in the traditional way. There are a couple of exceptions, e.g. if you want to change the background color of the Aero Start screen.

    All in all I think the Metro is a nice addition and with a minimal amount of settings it can be used in the usual fashion. So where is the problem ??
    Last edited by whs; 16 Mar 2012 at 16:00.
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    LOL - thanks Wolfgang.

    I know how to use the kiddie screen.

    I would rather boot straight to the main ui ( desktop).

    MS seem to be deliberately making that difficult.

    It is not the end of the world.
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  10. #30


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    Paul Thurrott said it very succinctly: the Metro Start Screen IS the new Windows environment, the desktop is just an App of Metro. My take? NO BIG DEAL, let me explain,
    First, no one was complaining in the DP as you could bypass the Metro screen. That will certainly be allowed in the ACTUAL PRODUCT (MS needs feedback about Metro so turned on hard in the CP).
    Next, Metro is nothing more than the Start Menu writ large. It has its uses and will be enjoyed by most "normal" folks once MS FIXES it before releasing the final product (if nothing else, a close app button is absolutely necessary- see the video of the old man trying to operate Metro).
    Finally, there are many ways around using Metro that us "power users" will be in it only during the short time in boot up.
    I have found that THERE ARE some good uses for Metro so I am both bitchin' about it and using it. Once I had figured out how to use it, not so bad...
    According to St. Paul du Windows, there was a HUGE fight inside Microsoft about Metro. There are bad tempers all around in the labs and there is a team of people who secretly hope that it fails miserably. Here is the post, and a terrific piece by Paul about Metro's dual nature and how it is going to play out :

    http://www.winsupersite.com/article/...w-sense-142496

    "Embrace the possibilities and ignore the inconveniences"
    Last edited by johnpombrio; 16 Mar 2012 at 15:24.
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